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> A couple of watts here, and a couple of watts there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money! > Not with the current state of the art. > If it didn'

> A couple of watts here, and a couple of watts there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money! > Not with the current state of the art. > If it didn't matter, then there'd be no interest in blades, or OCP, and all the cloud vendors would use standard rackmount whitebox servers. I'm talking about it mattering from the starting point of blades, OCP, "cloud" systems! The thread is about where the oxide niche is and what advantages it has over competition. The idea there is huge amount to be won on southbridge chipset and IO ports in large scale systems is simply not true. Quite amazing that people who don't understand this are posting in this thread as though they are experts in the matter.

__d 3y ago
>> A couple of watts here, and a couple of watts there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money! > Not with the current state of the art. Perhaps you could educate me: what's the state of the art that makes watts free? >> If it didn't matter, then there'd be no interest in blades, or OCP, and all the cloud vendors would use standard rackmount whitebox servers. > I'm talking about it mattering from the starting point of blades, OCP, "cloud" systems! > The thread is about where the oxide niche is and what advantages it has over competition. The idea there is huge amount to be won on southbridge chipset and IO ports in large scale systems is simply not true. I don't think anyone has asserted that there's "huge amount"s to be won from the simplified hardware? It's my view that there is a small amount to be won (more if you're coming from DL380s, and a bit less if you're replacing blades, for instance). But those small amounts do add up, and contribute to the value proposition. I think there are other parts of the Oxide product that are more compelling, but that's the point: it's the total package that you're buying, not just the missing VGA socket on the front panel. Imagine that I'm an enterprise computing user. I currently have a few small (wrt cloud providers) datacenters, stuffed with racks of any tier 1 vendor's rack mount, blade or even OCP systems. And they're running some combination of plain VMs, perhaps some orchestration platform (k8s, or Mesos, or whatever). And it's time for my 3/5/8-yearly refresh of a bunch of those systems. A unified, coherent, targeted product (such as Oxide) might be a compelling offer. It promises to deliver cloud-type hardware and software efficiencies at a smaller scale. It gives me the savings of not renting from AWS/Azure/etc, while not dealing with the hodge-podge of the standard PC hardware and software stack. > Quite amazing that people who don't understand this are posting in this thread as though they are experts in the matter. Welcome to the Internet?
- throwawaylinux 3y ago
  > Perhaps you could educate me Doesn't seem to be taking. The issue is that there are not a couple of watts there. There are a couple here, and that's all. > I don't think anyone has asserted that there's "huge amount"s to be won from the simplified hardware? They did. In this thread you are participating in even. Perhaps you didn't really read the post of mine that you first replied to, or its context?

__d 3y ago

>> A couple of watts here, and a couple of watts there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money! > Not with the current state of the art. Perhaps you could educate me: what's the state of the art that makes watts free? >> If it didn't matter, then there'd be no interest in blades, or OCP, and all the cloud vendors would use standard rackmount whitebox servers. > I'm talking about it mattering from the starting point of blades, OCP, "cloud" systems! > The thread is about where the oxide niche is and what advantages it has over competition. The idea there is huge amount to be won on southbridge chipset and IO ports in large scale systems is simply not true. I don't think anyone has asserted that there's "huge amount"s to be won from the simplified hardware? It's my view that there is a small amount to be won (more if you're coming from DL380s, and a bit less if you're replacing blades, for instance). But those small amounts do add up, and contribute to the value proposition. I think there are other parts of the Oxide product that are more compelling, but that's the point: it's the total package that you're buying, not just the missing VGA socket on the front panel. Imagine that I'm an enterprise computing user. I currently have a few small (wrt cloud providers) datacenters, stuffed with racks of any tier 1 vendor's rack mount, blade or even OCP systems. And they're running some combination of plain VMs, perhaps some orchestration platform (k8s, or Mesos, or whatever). And it's time for my 3/5/8-yearly refresh of a bunch of those systems. A unified, coherent, targeted product (such as Oxide) might be a compelling offer. It promises to deliver cloud-type hardware and software efficiencies at a smaller scale. It gives me the savings of not renting from AWS/Azure/etc, while not dealing with the hodge-podge of the standard PC hardware and software stack. > Quite amazing that people who don't understand this are posting in this thread as though they are experts in the matter. Welcome to the Internet?

throwawaylinux 3y ago
> Perhaps you could educate me Doesn't seem to be taking. The issue is that there are not a couple of watts there. There are a couple here, and that's all. > I don't think anyone has asserted that there's "huge amount"s to be won from the simplified hardware? They did. In this thread you are participating in even. Perhaps you didn't really read the post of mine that you first replied to, or its context?