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Meta uses its own php called hack. Nothing is shared with php oss. Google and Meta both have their forked versions of Cpp and python. Plus if they're closed sou

Meta uses its own php called hack. Nothing is shared with php oss. Google and Meta both have their forked versions of Cpp and python. Plus if they're closed source they will just buy it. Pytorch and tensorflow are from FANG. Without OSS being a thing, they just keep using it without sharing it to the world. Your examples are actually proving the opposite of your point :)

ke88y 3y ago
> Without OSS being a thing, they just keep using it without sharing it to the world. But OSS is a thing and they did share it with the world. > Your examples are actually proving the opposite of your point :) How so? Despite the fact that Big Tech doesn't need OSS, it's not true that BigTech: 1. "doesn't use OSS", or 2. "has internal versions" [of any relevant OSS], or 3. "only use it for recruiting". Hack isn't a counter-example; it's open source. The face that TensorFlow started a google isn't relevant to my point, nor is the fact that FB took the healm of Torch from academia a while ago. Companies engage with OSS strategically, not altruistically. In other news, grass is green :) But there are many strategic reasons for having pieces of infra that are (1) OSS, (2) not duplicated internally, and (3) have motivations other than recruiting.
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- jchonphoenix 3y ago
  I think you're misunderstanding my comment because you aren't reading it in context of the parent. Those are all points why big tech will be fine without open source software. I.E. if the entirety of the OSS community disappeared tomorrow, big tech would be minimally impacted. Many of the major OSS projects came from then to begin with and they already have massive efforts to maintain parallel versions. They open source tf, hack, and pytorch because it's good for recruiting. Not because it gets commits and reduces workloads. So if the OSS movement disappeared tomorrow, big tech would be the best positioned companies to keep chugging along. Although even if all OSS software that we've discussed here disappeared tomorrow, I know at least Google and Facebook are fine because they don't use any of it. They have their own internal versions that are better and aren't shared with the world.

ke88y 3y ago

> Without OSS being a thing, they just keep using it without sharing it to the world. But OSS is a thing and they did share it with the world. > Your examples are actually proving the opposite of your point :) How so? Despite the fact that Big Tech doesn't need OSS, it's not true that BigTech: 1. "doesn't use OSS", or 2. "has internal versions" [of any relevant OSS], or 3. "only use it for recruiting". Hack isn't a counter-example; it's open source. The face that TensorFlow started a google isn't relevant to my point, nor is the fact that FB took the healm of Torch from academia a while ago. Companies engage with OSS strategically, not altruistically. In other news, grass is green :) But there are many strategic reasons for having pieces of infra that are (1) OSS, (2) not duplicated internally, and (3) have motivations other than recruiting.

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jchonphoenix 3y ago
I think you're misunderstanding my comment because you aren't reading it in context of the parent. Those are all points why big tech will be fine without open source software. I.E. if the entirety of the OSS community disappeared tomorrow, big tech would be minimally impacted. Many of the major OSS projects came from then to begin with and they already have massive efforts to maintain parallel versions. They open source tf, hack, and pytorch because it's good for recruiting. Not because it gets commits and reduces workloads. So if the OSS movement disappeared tomorrow, big tech would be the best positioned companies to keep chugging along. Although even if all OSS software that we've discussed here disappeared tomorrow, I know at least Google and Facebook are fine because they don't use any of it. They have their own internal versions that are better and aren't shared with the world.