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Dude, the author and you are so far out of the loop on SO it's strange. How long have you been in the SO and HN communities? I'm on the SO since 2009 IIRC. (Bt

by batista 15y ago

Dude, the author and you are so far out of the loop on SO it's strange. How long have you been in the SO and HN communities? I'm on the SO since 2009 IIRC. (Btw, I'm over 16, non American, and my surname is not Lebowski, so I'm not a "dude"). Joel and Jeff setup SO because EE sucked so bad, from the beginning they've said 'we're not going to end up like the site with the hyphen'. And now you're saying they're going to go against their entire raison d'etre? Yeah, and Google once said "don't be evil". Corporate promises don't mean much, I'll take laws, signed contracts or systemic assurances over them anytime. When there's profit involved and especially investors, money has a way to become the 'raison d'etre'. Besides, Jeff has already quit Stack Overflow/Exchange: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/02/farewell-stack-exchange.html http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/02/farewell-stack-exch... (The downvote means what? I haven't made a reasoned argument? There have not been many cases of corporate bait-and-switch? It's inconceivable that people running SO in the future could attempt one, with investor money involved and Jeff retired? Or is it simply a case of: "I disagree with you, la la la la la"?)

Duff 15y ago
The way the SO content is licensed and the API creates a powerful disincentive for a malevolent corporate overlord from putting a paywall up. A paywall would dramatically reduce the amount of new content being generated, and the open license of the existing content lowers the entry barriers for a competitor. Even an MBA can figure out that a paywall is a bad idea. That's not to say that there isn't some other creative way that a malevolent overlord could do evil with SO, but in any case, you or I can pick up the back catalog of data and do whatever we wish.
dangrossman 15y ago
> Corporate promises don't mean much, I'll take laws, signed contracts or systemic assurances over them anytime. Then you'll love the copyright license (CC) under which they offer the questions and answers for free copying and redistribution, the contract law that binds them to this license and the other terms of their site, and the systemic assurance this creates that they cannot put up a paywall around the answers we've provided. We can just take them with us to another site; many SO clones including the full content already exist, entirely legally.
mattmanser 15y ago
It was a more of a 'dude, calm down'. You're shouting and swearing and getting angry at a couple of guys who's declared motive was to try and fix the information exchange model for everyone and make the world a better place. I for one am immensely grateful to both of them for making my job a lot, lot easier, has given me pride in the answers I've provided and also for creating something that's a pleasure to use. I assume none of us here are naive enough to think that there's not a chance that at some point in the future it might get worse, but their actions so far show nothing to be concerned about.
batista 15y ago
It was a more of a 'dude, calm down'. You're shouting and swearing and getting angry Swearing? You mean the "have you read the fucking article" kind of swearing? And shouting? You mean emphasizing "real world" with uppercase, because HN doesn't allow bold? ... at a couple of guys who's declared motive was to try and fix the information exchange model for everyone and make the world a better place. I assume none of us here are naive enough to think that there's not a chance that at some point in the future it might get worse, but their actions so far show nothing to be concerned about. One of them has already quit. VC money are in. Since you agree there is such a chance, then I merely pointed out that it's reasonable to "be concerned about" it.
alexeiz 15y ago
Dude, you don't get it. Lebowski is "The Dude". And you're just a dude.

by batista 15y ago

Duff 15y ago

The way the SO content is licensed and the API creates a powerful disincentive for a malevolent corporate overlord from putting a paywall up. A paywall would dramatically reduce the amount of new content being generated, and the open license of the existing content lowers the entry barriers for a competitor. Even an MBA can figure out that a paywall is a bad idea. That's not to say that there isn't some other creative way that a malevolent overlord could do evil with SO, but in any case, you or I can pick up the back catalog of data and do whatever we wish.

dangrossman 15y ago

> Corporate promises don't mean much, I'll take laws, signed contracts or systemic assurances over them anytime. Then you'll love the copyright license (CC) under which they offer the questions and answers for free copying and redistribution, the contract law that binds them to this license and the other terms of their site, and the systemic assurance this creates that they cannot put up a paywall around the answers we've provided. We can just take them with us to another site; many SO clones including the full content already exist, entirely legally.

mattmanser 15y ago

It was a more of a 'dude, calm down'. You're shouting and swearing and getting angry at a couple of guys who's declared motive was to try and fix the information exchange model for everyone and make the world a better place. I for one am immensely grateful to both of them for making my job a lot, lot easier, has given me pride in the answers I've provided and also for creating something that's a pleasure to use. I assume none of us here are naive enough to think that there's not a chance that at some point in the future it might get worse, but their actions so far show nothing to be concerned about.

batista 15y ago

It was a more of a 'dude, calm down'. You're shouting and swearing and getting angry Swearing? You mean the "have you read the fucking article" kind of swearing? And shouting? You mean emphasizing "real world" with uppercase, because HN doesn't allow bold? ... at a couple of guys who's declared motive was to try and fix the information exchange model for everyone and make the world a better place. I assume none of us here are naive enough to think that there's not a chance that at some point in the future it might get worse, but their actions so far show nothing to be concerned about. One of them has already quit. VC money are in. Since you agree there is such a chance, then I merely pointed out that it's reasonable to "be concerned about" it.

alexeiz 15y ago

Dude, you don't get it. Lebowski is "The Dude". And you're just a dude.