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And 100% of affirmative action students would have been rejected otherwise. So this cohort is doing a little better by that standard.

• ZeroGravitas 3y ago
  What are you basing this conclusion on?
  • seizethecheese 3y ago
    I’m not the above commenter, but it seems obviously true? They’re not saying minority students, but affirmative action ones.
• pessimizer 3y ago
  That's not the right comparison. You compare white people to another ethnicity, not to a program. 100% of white legacies that got in because they were legacies got in because they were legacies. That represents 75% of the people who are white legacies, and 31% of white Harvard students. So the comparison is between e.g. black Harvard students and white Harvard students - would more than 69% of black Harvard students have gotten in even without racial preferences? Maybe, maybe not, but I guarantee you don't know. You're just using Affirmative Action as a euphemism for black, like a racist would. And in addition, racial preferences have been struck down by the Supreme Court, I hope you know, so that means that 31% advantage now stands out there alone, rewarded because one fell out of status quo genitals.
  • germandiago 3y ago
    I am the only one who thinks doing identity policies is harmful? For every person that you do not base stuff exclusively in their performance someone is out.
    • giraffe_lady 3y ago
      Obviously not, the clear majority here is anti affirmative action so don't make it out like it's a controversial marginalized position in this context. Anyway though what performance? We're talking about college students they don't do anything yet. But how about for example the fact that black people are more likely to be misdiagnosed and undertreated unless the doctor is black. If you care primarily about harm, with that in mind, getting the percentage of black doctors higher than 5% is something you'd be concerned with, I would think.
  • xienze 3y ago
    > That's not the right comparison. You compare white people to another ethnicity, not to a program. Yes it is, because the entire point of showing these statistics about white legacy students is to “shut up” people arguing against affirmative action by going “see, white people get their own form of preferential treatment too!”