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If you include mobile games on ARM64 the the number of Linux gamers is significantly higher than x86.

by ed25519FUUU 3y ago

moffkalast 3y ago
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- karamanolev 3y ago
  Android is a very thick layer/shell around the actual Linux kernel, maybe some or a lot of patches, but still Linux. How much compiled Linux code does it run? Quite a lot. macOS, AFAIK, runs NO Linux (the kernel) source code.
  - reassembled 3y ago
    macOS is not based on the Linux kernel, it's based on BSD.
- Toutouxc 3y ago
  Android uses Linux the kernel. macOS doesn’t use Linux the kernel.
- deleted 3y ago
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tmtvl 3y ago
I don't think that's very relevant when we're talking about AMD CPU usage, although it does mean that Phoronix may very well be technically wrong when talking about "Linux" gaming statistics. That said it's quite clear they mean GNU/Linux desktop gaming using x86_64-based systems.
to11mtm 3y ago
I'll be pedantic and cynical; - Android isn't quite Linux - A good number if not the majority of 'mobile games' are gachas/cow-clickers. At least to me, it's a bit like lumping old folks who play at churches into a 'Gamblers that visit casinos once a week' metric.
- plq 3y ago
  > Android isn't quite Linux If we're being pedantic, let me be clear that Android is Linux. It just doesn't use the traditional userland, mostly implemented by GNU. So it's Linux but not GNU/Linux.
  - smegsicle 3y ago
    if we're being correct and practical, let me be clear that 'linux' is gnu/linux, so android uses linux kernel, but is not 'linux' also, 'gaming' (union of pc and console) and 'mobile gaming' are significantly different demographics
    - jokethrowaway 3y ago
      Linux is NOT GNU/Linux Gnu = coreutils + POSIX + gcc + others; Linux = the kernel
      - throwaway2990 3y ago
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      - deafpolygon 3y ago
        Accurate, but in general terms... Linux desktop = GNU/Linux.
    - Shorel 3y ago
      No sir. You can't win both sides of the argument whenever it's more convenient for you. If you are going to write GNU/Linux, be consistent with its usage. Linux is the kernel. My OS is Ubuntu, not just Linux. Android is also Linux.
  - whatshisface 3y ago
    Or KDE/Linux. :)
  - charcircuit 3y ago
    If we're being pedantic the traditional userland isn't mostly implenented by GNU. systemd, X.org, pulseaudio, gnome, KDE, qt, gtk, etc are not GNU.
post-it 3y ago
While true, often people talk about the proportion of Linux gamers in the context of growing desktop Linux market share, "the year of the Linux desktop," etc. Since Android and desktop Linux programs are largely incompatible, mobile games on ARM64 don't matter in this context.
- mcv 3y ago
  Compatibility is much less of an issue these days. My son apparently plays Android games on Windows in an emulator. I'm sure the same thing is possible on Linux. I plan to finally switch to gaming on Linux, because Linux support for games is much better than it was in the past, and even games that don't officially work in Linux, in practice often still do due to Steam Linux support. Even if you didn't buy the game on Steam, I've been told. So I hope to soon join that 1.5%, and with the direction Windows seems to be going, I expect a lot more people will do the same.
dumdumchan 3y ago
What you guys are referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
- adgjlsfhk1 3y ago
  Your copypasta is out of date. https://www.gnu.org/gnu/incorrect-quotation.en.html https://www.gnu.org/gnu/incorrect-quotation.en.html. The updated version is: A quotation circulates on the Internet, attributed to me, but it wasn't written by me. Here's the text that is circulating. Most of it was copied from statements I have made, but the part italicized here is not from me. It makes points that are mistaken or confused... < original copypasta> The main error is that Linux is not strictly speaking part of the GNU system—whose kernel is GNU Hurd. The version with Linux, we call “GNU/Linux.” It is OK to call it “GNU” when you want to be really short, but it is better to call it “GNU/Linux” so as to give Torvalds some credit. We don't use the term “corelibs,” and I am not sure what that would mean, but GNU is much more than the specific packages we developed for it. I set out in 1983 to develop an operating system, calling it GNU, and that job required developing whichever important packages we could not find elsewhere.

If you include mobile games on ARM64 the the number of Linux gamers is significantly higher than x86.

moffkalast 3y ago

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karamanolev 3y ago
Android is a very thick layer/shell around the actual Linux kernel, maybe some or a lot of patches, but still Linux. How much compiled Linux code does it run? Quite a lot. macOS, AFAIK, runs NO Linux (the kernel) source code.
- reassembled 3y ago
  macOS is not based on the Linux kernel, it's based on BSD.
Toutouxc 3y ago
Android uses Linux the kernel. macOS doesn’t use Linux the kernel.
deleted 3y ago
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tmtvl 3y ago

I don't think that's very relevant when we're talking about AMD CPU usage, although it does mean that Phoronix may very well be technically wrong when talking about "Linux" gaming statistics. That said it's quite clear they mean GNU/Linux desktop gaming using x86_64-based systems.

to11mtm 3y ago

I'll be pedantic and cynical; - Android isn't quite Linux - A good number if not the majority of 'mobile games' are gachas/cow-clickers. At least to me, it's a bit like lumping old folks who play at churches into a 'Gamblers that visit casinos once a week' metric.

plq 3y ago
> Android isn't quite Linux If we're being pedantic, let me be clear that Android is Linux. It just doesn't use the traditional userland, mostly implemented by GNU. So it's Linux but not GNU/Linux.
- smegsicle 3y ago
  if we're being correct and practical, let me be clear that 'linux' is gnu/linux, so android uses linux kernel, but is not 'linux' also, 'gaming' (union of pc and console) and 'mobile gaming' are significantly different demographics
  - jokethrowaway 3y ago
    Linux is NOT GNU/Linux Gnu = coreutils + POSIX + gcc + others; Linux = the kernel
    - throwaway2990 3y ago
      [flagged]
    - deafpolygon 3y ago
      Accurate, but in general terms... Linux desktop = GNU/Linux.
  - Shorel 3y ago
    No sir. You can't win both sides of the argument whenever it's more convenient for you. If you are going to write GNU/Linux, be consistent with its usage. Linux is the kernel. My OS is Ubuntu, not just Linux. Android is also Linux.
- whatshisface 3y ago
  Or KDE/Linux. :)
- charcircuit 3y ago
  If we're being pedantic the traditional userland isn't mostly implenented by GNU. systemd, X.org, pulseaudio, gnome, KDE, qt, gtk, etc are not GNU.

post-it 3y ago

While true, often people talk about the proportion of Linux gamers in the context of growing desktop Linux market share, "the year of the Linux desktop," etc. Since Android and desktop Linux programs are largely incompatible, mobile games on ARM64 don't matter in this context.

mcv 3y ago
Compatibility is much less of an issue these days. My son apparently plays Android games on Windows in an emulator. I'm sure the same thing is possible on Linux. I plan to finally switch to gaming on Linux, because Linux support for games is much better than it was in the past, and even games that don't officially work in Linux, in practice often still do due to Steam Linux support. Even if you didn't buy the game on Steam, I've been told. So I hope to soon join that 1.5%, and with the direction Windows seems to be going, I expect a lot more people will do the same.

dumdumchan 3y ago

What you guys are referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

adgjlsfhk1 3y ago
Your copypasta is out of date. https://www.gnu.org/gnu/incorrect-quotation.en.html https://www.gnu.org/gnu/incorrect-quotation.en.html. The updated version is: A quotation circulates on the Internet, attributed to me, but it wasn't written by me. Here's the text that is circulating. Most of it was copied from statements I have made, but the part italicized here is not from me. It makes points that are mistaken or confused... < original copypasta> The main error is that Linux is not strictly speaking part of the GNU system—whose kernel is GNU Hurd. The version with Linux, we call “GNU/Linux.” It is OK to call it “GNU” when you want to be really short, but it is better to call it “GNU/Linux” so as to give Torvalds some credit. We don't use the term “corelibs,” and I am not sure what that would mean, but GNU is much more than the specific packages we developed for it. I set out in 1983 to develop an operating system, calling it GNU, and that job required developing whichever important packages we could not find elsewhere.