Thanks for the reply. Yes, I agree that some execs can occasionally do better. I have even sometimes been that executive. I also agree with this as stated: >

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I agree that some execs can occasionally do better. I have even sometimes been that executive. I also agree with this as stated: > Depending on ICs to push cultural change up through the org isn't IMHO a reasonable strategy. But I think the world is bigger than that. My point is there are more possibilities than "hope for an exec who works in contradiction to the dominant paradigm" and "expect lone ICs to change things". Just as an example, those weren't big factors in getting us the 40-hour work week.