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Almost all foods are sprayed with glyphosate and atrazine which are also known carcinogens. There is basically no way to avoid synthetic chemicals and their har

Almost all foods are sprayed with glyphosate and atrazine which are also known carcinogens. There is basically no way to avoid synthetic chemicals and their harmful effects. Most animal feed on factory farms is even worse so if you eat meat then you also have to worry about bio-amplification[1] of various synthetic chemicals that is in their feed. 1: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomagnification https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomagnification

EA-3167 3y ago
Where's the evidence that glyphosate is carcinogenic?
- climatologist 3y ago
  It's known to cause chronic inflammation which is a precursor for cancer along with being an endocrine disruptor: https://www.verywellhealth.com/does-glyphosate-cause-cancer-5113991 https://www.verywellhealth.com/does-glyphosate-cause-cancer-...
  - EA-3167 3y ago
    That site appears to exclusively cite its own articles as "evidence" and nothing else. What a joke! If I wanted to know what a freelance writer and a "wellness" site thought about something, I'd get myself checked.
    - climatologist 3y ago
      Extremely weird reaction. Synthetic chemicals are known to disrupt biological function in lab animals so I don't know why you are confused about an obvious conclusion, if it affects rats and rabbits then it also affects humans in similar ways. This is why mice and rats are used as model animals for drug testing, their endocrine functions and metabolic pathways are close enough to humans to be good test subjects.
      - EA-3167 3y ago
        No offense, but unless you can prove that, it's just your opinion. The link you provided is about as far from proof as you can get.
        climatologist 3y ago
        It kills lab animals in small does and that's plenty of evidence for me. You don't have to be convinced but the evidence is very clear for me. Rates of cancers and dementia have been steadily increasing since the introduction of synthetic chemicals so the causal link is pretty obvious.
        EA-3167 3y ago
        > It kills lab animals in small does and that's plenty of evidence for me. Says you, show me the evidence.
- randycupertino 3y ago
  It's debated. https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l1613 https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l1613 Mainly Monsanto lobbied enough that it wasn't classified as a carcinogen by the FDA however it has been labeled as a carcinogen by the WHO. > In 2015, the World Health Organization’s International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) identified glyphosate, the world’s most commonly used herbicide, as a probable human carcinogen.12 It quickly became evident that separating science from politics and economic interests would be difficult for glyphosate. > IARC’s assessment prompted a major controversy between health evaluation agencies, led to unprecedented lobbying by Monsanto (the primary manufacturer of glyphosate and genetically modified products resistant to glyphosate), and resulted in high profile court cases in the US.3 > Glyphosate typifies the problems associated with research, evaluation, and regulation of pesticides. These include serious difficulties in the conduct of human research; important gaps in post-market research into exposure and risk assessment, particularly in low and middle income countries; lack of information on environmental effects; extensive industry involvement in evaluation and regulatory processes; and the major legal implications of these evaluations. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/16/revealed-monsanto-mexico-us-glyphosate-ban https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/16/revealed-mo... https://enveurope.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s12302-018-0184-7 https://enveurope.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s12302-0...
  - EA-3167 3y ago
    So the same category as red meat and aspartame?
hirundo 3y ago
Grass fed beef should be an exception. I buy half a cow at a time, which isn't practical for everyone. They feed on ranch land that's untouched other than a few water tanks, with no time in a feed lot before the processor. The rancher tells me he would use antibiotics if he has to, but hasn't had to.
- climatologist 3y ago
  That's a luxury most people can't afford.
  - hirundo 3y ago
    True. $1,500 for my last half cow, higher than ever. According to my improved lab results, for me it's a health expense, paying more for food now to pay less for diabetes, heart disease, etc., later. On the other hand it makes me more likely to have a longer life, which is also an expensive luxury.
    - randycupertino 3y ago
      How does it work logistically? Do you have a chest freezer in your garage?
      - hirundo 3y ago
        A half cow fits comfortably in a medium sized upright freezer. I'm considering trying to also fit in half a lamb, but it would be close. As infrequently as I go into it, the upright is as efficient as a chest freezer, but saves more space in the garage. It has a smaller footprint and I can store things on top. There's a loud high temperature alarm on it. If the power goes out for more than a couple of days I can hook up a generator.
- dieselgate 3y ago
  Cool. What is the relevance of buying half the animal at a time, is this an economic incentive for the rancher? I don’t eat meat but would assume butchers would sell grass fed cuts in smaller portions.

EA-3167 3y ago

Where's the evidence that glyphosate is carcinogenic?

climatologist 3y ago
It's known to cause chronic inflammation which is a precursor for cancer along with being an endocrine disruptor: https://www.verywellhealth.com/does-glyphosate-cause-cancer-5113991 https://www.verywellhealth.com/does-glyphosate-cause-cancer-...
- EA-3167 3y ago
  That site appears to exclusively cite its own articles as "evidence" and nothing else. What a joke! If I wanted to know what a freelance writer and a "wellness" site thought about something, I'd get myself checked.
  - climatologist 3y ago
    Extremely weird reaction. Synthetic chemicals are known to disrupt biological function in lab animals so I don't know why you are confused about an obvious conclusion, if it affects rats and rabbits then it also affects humans in similar ways. This is why mice and rats are used as model animals for drug testing, their endocrine functions and metabolic pathways are close enough to humans to be good test subjects.
    - EA-3167 3y ago
      No offense, but unless you can prove that, it's just your opinion. The link you provided is about as far from proof as you can get.
      - climatologist 3y ago
        It kills lab animals in small does and that's plenty of evidence for me. You don't have to be convinced but the evidence is very clear for me. Rates of cancers and dementia have been steadily increasing since the introduction of synthetic chemicals so the causal link is pretty obvious.
        EA-3167 3y ago
        > It kills lab animals in small does and that's plenty of evidence for me. Says you, show me the evidence.
randycupertino 3y ago
It's debated. https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l1613 https://www.bmj.com/content/365/bmj.l1613 Mainly Monsanto lobbied enough that it wasn't classified as a carcinogen by the FDA however it has been labeled as a carcinogen by the WHO. > In 2015, the World Health Organization’s International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) identified glyphosate, the world’s most commonly used herbicide, as a probable human carcinogen.12 It quickly became evident that separating science from politics and economic interests would be difficult for glyphosate. > IARC’s assessment prompted a major controversy between health evaluation agencies, led to unprecedented lobbying by Monsanto (the primary manufacturer of glyphosate and genetically modified products resistant to glyphosate), and resulted in high profile court cases in the US.3 > Glyphosate typifies the problems associated with research, evaluation, and regulation of pesticides. These include serious difficulties in the conduct of human research; important gaps in post-market research into exposure and risk assessment, particularly in low and middle income countries; lack of information on environmental effects; extensive industry involvement in evaluation and regulatory processes; and the major legal implications of these evaluations. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/16/revealed-monsanto-mexico-us-glyphosate-ban https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/feb/16/revealed-mo... https://enveurope.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s12302-018-0184-7 https://enveurope.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s12302-0...
- EA-3167 3y ago
  So the same category as red meat and aspartame?

hirundo 3y ago

Grass fed beef should be an exception. I buy half a cow at a time, which isn't practical for everyone. They feed on ranch land that's untouched other than a few water tanks, with no time in a feed lot before the processor. The rancher tells me he would use antibiotics if he has to, but hasn't had to.

climatologist 3y ago
That's a luxury most people can't afford.
- hirundo 3y ago
  True. $1,500 for my last half cow, higher than ever. According to my improved lab results, for me it's a health expense, paying more for food now to pay less for diabetes, heart disease, etc., later. On the other hand it makes me more likely to have a longer life, which is also an expensive luxury.
  - randycupertino 3y ago
    How does it work logistically? Do you have a chest freezer in your garage?
    - hirundo 3y ago
      A half cow fits comfortably in a medium sized upright freezer. I'm considering trying to also fit in half a lamb, but it would be close. As infrequently as I go into it, the upright is as efficient as a chest freezer, but saves more space in the garage. It has a smaller footprint and I can store things on top. There's a loud high temperature alarm on it. If the power goes out for more than a couple of days I can hook up a generator.
dieselgate 3y ago
Cool. What is the relevance of buying half the animal at a time, is this an economic incentive for the rancher? I don’t eat meat but would assume butchers would sell grass fed cuts in smaller portions.