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3) west has done and continues to do things they deem immoral to stay ahead while use propaganda and coercion against others when they do the same things to cat
by dirtyid 3y ago
3) west has done and continues to do things they deem immoral to stay ahead while use propaganda and coercion against others when they do the same things to catch up. Folks who fall for their own propaganda and clash with those that don't.
- ithkuil 3y agoI don't think that's different from what I said in (1): "The west is doing immoral things and hiding it" The propaganda aspect you're mentioning is an integral part of "hiding it". I don't think you're framing changes the options on the table: either you try to fix the system from within our you somehow hope that the others will be better just because.
- dirtyid 3y agoIMO third framing is west is weaponizing/moralizing development tactics when "immoral" methods are simply effective development methods that west doesn't want their competitors to adopt. The TLDR is there isn't anything to fix per say, sometimes developing fast and catching up to incumbants takes breaking a lot of eggs. The eggs are of course humans, and it's tempting to build propaganda atrocity narratives to deter such behaviour. Frequently it even comes from a genuine place, hence many useful idiots who drink the koolaid can advocate for it strongly, but these narratives are ultimately, on a geostrategic level, self serving for entrenched interests/winners who wants to stay on top. The logic of (3) is recognizing that the liberal world/rule-based-order is a rigged game, and it's in the understandable self-interest that others don't want to play in an already unfair system.