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> the lack of anything remotely resembling a mountain near Berlin Bavaria and Switzerland are not that far. Polish Sudety even closer and much cheaper. > most

by zalew 15y ago

> the lack of anything remotely resembling a mountain near Berlin Bavaria and Switzerland are not that far. Polish Sudety even closer and much cheaper. > most importantly, the lack of good Mexican food. Tex-mex is an American obsession. In Europe we have mediterranean. A doner-kebab is for us what a taco is to you, and say what you want, but kebab is a snack there's no shortage of in Berlin.

davidw 15y ago
Perhaps I've been conditioned by living in Europe, but my definition of "not far" means I can ride my bike to it! Kebabs are great (we have them here too in Italy), but sorry, I'll take good Mexican food any day:-)
- zalew 15y ago
  > but my definition of "not far" means I can ride my bike to it haha, well... I thought of going for a weekend, not after work. There are a few nice Mexican restaurants in Warsaw, so I know the deal, still sadly mex didn't somehow fall into the 'grab a taco and walk' category as I see on American movies, this space is totally occoupied by kebabs. (btw, HN could display a country next to the nickname, so there's no "oh, you're not from the US too".)
- derrida 15y ago
  The kebabs are something else in Berlin. Much more like a Taco than those greasy things you see elsewhere in the world.
  - zalew 15y ago
    Greesy kebabs with a lot of sauce 'spicy, mild or mix?' are a European invention I think. I've been to a few middle-eastern countries including Turkey and haven't seen sauce in kebab ever (still they give sauce in Berlin).
    - yxhuvud 15y ago
      If nothing else, putting kebab on pizza is pretty European .. (Yes, including the sauce!)
    - derrida 15y ago
      That is because they are Shwarma's and are completely different again. The kebab is a Berlin invention (according to TimeOut Berlin). Which makes sense, a marriage of the German sausage + bread culture with some dish from the middle east.
      - zalew 15y ago
        > The kebab is a Berlin invention Wait, wat? Kebab is middle-eastern food with hundreds of years of history. 'Doner kebab' (the popular one in a bread) is Turkish. German sausage has nothing to do with it. There are lots of ways you can serve kebab/shoarma and none of them are 'wrong' per se. The popularity of doner and roll is probably just a matter of convenience for customers and business owners. The sauce thing was just an observation, and frankly I don't know how what local influence made it served that way in Europe.
        nir 15y ago
        The word "Kebab" describes a different dish in the Middle East and in Germany.
        zalew 15y ago
        All dishes are different around the world - spaghetti, sushi, pizza, hamburger, etc. Sometimes a dish is luxury in one country and casual food in the other. It always differs, even across regions of one country, regional influences, etc. It doesn't mean it's a different dish by definition.
        ido 15y ago
        No, literally - the middle-eastern "kebab" is called cevapcici in Europe (at least in Ausria/Germany), it's a totally different dish from dönner kebab.
erikabele 15y ago
though not really Mexican we have Dolores here in Berlin - as good as calimex can get!

by zalew 15y ago

davidw 15y ago

Perhaps I've been conditioned by living in Europe, but my definition of "not far" means I can ride my bike to it! Kebabs are great (we have them here too in Italy), but sorry, I'll take good Mexican food any day:-)

zalew 15y ago
> but my definition of "not far" means I can ride my bike to it haha, well... I thought of going for a weekend, not after work. There are a few nice Mexican restaurants in Warsaw, so I know the deal, still sadly mex didn't somehow fall into the 'grab a taco and walk' category as I see on American movies, this space is totally occoupied by kebabs. (btw, HN could display a country next to the nickname, so there's no "oh, you're not from the US too".)
derrida 15y ago
The kebabs are something else in Berlin. Much more like a Taco than those greasy things you see elsewhere in the world.
- zalew 15y ago
  Greesy kebabs with a lot of sauce 'spicy, mild or mix?' are a European invention I think. I've been to a few middle-eastern countries including Turkey and haven't seen sauce in kebab ever (still they give sauce in Berlin).
  - yxhuvud 15y ago
    If nothing else, putting kebab on pizza is pretty European .. (Yes, including the sauce!)
  - derrida 15y ago
    That is because they are Shwarma's and are completely different again. The kebab is a Berlin invention (according to TimeOut Berlin). Which makes sense, a marriage of the German sausage + bread culture with some dish from the middle east.
    - zalew 15y ago
      > The kebab is a Berlin invention Wait, wat? Kebab is middle-eastern food with hundreds of years of history. 'Doner kebab' (the popular one in a bread) is Turkish. German sausage has nothing to do with it. There are lots of ways you can serve kebab/shoarma and none of them are 'wrong' per se. The popularity of doner and roll is probably just a matter of convenience for customers and business owners. The sauce thing was just an observation, and frankly I don't know how what local influence made it served that way in Europe.
      - nir 15y ago
        The word "Kebab" describes a different dish in the Middle East and in Germany.
        zalew 15y ago
        All dishes are different around the world - spaghetti, sushi, pizza, hamburger, etc. Sometimes a dish is luxury in one country and casual food in the other. It always differs, even across regions of one country, regional influences, etc. It doesn't mean it's a different dish by definition.
        ido 15y ago
        No, literally - the middle-eastern "kebab" is called cevapcici in Europe (at least in Ausria/Germany), it's a totally different dish from dönner kebab.

erikabele 15y ago

though not really Mexican we have Dolores here in Berlin - as good as calimex can get!