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> No one is NATO is a 'protectorate' this is absurd on the face of it. If you can’t defend yourself and have to rely on a foreign power to do so, you are de fa

> No one is NATO is a 'protectorate' this is absurd on the face of it. If you can’t defend yourself and have to rely on a foreign power to do so, you are de facto a protectorate like it or not. That’s the case of at least the Baltic states in Europe and could probably be extended to other former USSR republics in the east.

_kbh_ 3y ago
> If you can’t defend yourself and have to rely on a foreign power to do so, you are de facto a protectorate like it or not. That’s the case of at least the Baltic states in Europe and could probably be extended to other former USSR republics in the east. This implies that _anyone_ who receives any military aid is a protectorate which imply that states like Russia are a protectorate of Iran
- WastingMyTime89 3y ago
  That’s silly. There is a difference between buying material from a foreign country and being entirely reliant on another one for your survival. I don’t mind the fairly honest debate and disagreement we are having. I understand your view on NATO even if I think it’s wrong and fail to acknowledge the actual effect the alliance has on its members. Still there is little point in going further if you are not interested in a modicum of intellectual honesty.
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    > That’s silly. There is a difference between buying material from a foreign country and being entirely reliant on another one for your survival. > I don’t mind the fairly honest debate and disagreement we are having but there is little point in going further if you are not interested in a modicum of intellectual honesty. I feel like you are the one being intellectually dishonest. To claim someone is a protectorate because they enter into a defensive alliance for their defence is absurd and does not follow. No one is entirely reliant on NATO for survival but theres plenty of armies that wouldn't survive an insane from Russia without the extra material.
    - WastingMyTime89 3y ago
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_kbh_ 3y ago

> If you can’t defend yourself and have to rely on a foreign power to do so, you are de facto a protectorate like it or not. That’s the case of at least the Baltic states in Europe and could probably be extended to other former USSR republics in the east. This implies that _anyone_ who receives any military aid is a protectorate which imply that states like Russia are a protectorate of Iran

WastingMyTime89 3y ago
That’s silly. There is a difference between buying material from a foreign country and being entirely reliant on another one for your survival. I don’t mind the fairly honest debate and disagreement we are having. I understand your view on NATO even if I think it’s wrong and fail to acknowledge the actual effect the alliance has on its members. Still there is little point in going further if you are not interested in a modicum of intellectual honesty.
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > That’s silly. There is a difference between buying material from a foreign country and being entirely reliant on another one for your survival. > I don’t mind the fairly honest debate and disagreement we are having but there is little point in going further if you are not interested in a modicum of intellectual honesty. I feel like you are the one being intellectually dishonest. To claim someone is a protectorate because they enter into a defensive alliance for their defence is absurd and does not follow. No one is entirely reliant on NATO for survival but theres plenty of armies that wouldn't survive an insane from Russia without the extra material.
  - WastingMyTime89 3y ago
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