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In the article they say openness is really important. But when you to the website, you have to use Google Account... It's open yeah, but someone wants to track

by wiz21c 3y ago

In the article they say openness is really important. But when you to the website, you have to use Google Account... It's open yeah, but someone wants to track you on this...

ggm 3y ago
Being tracked is different, and does not negate openly available. You don't get into every library in the world simply by turning up: identity has been a part of access since writing was invented. You can't request books from many libraries without identifying yourself and the works requested.
- Genghis_Khan 3y ago
  In most libraries in the US, browsing the collection--even taking books from the shelves to a table for a while to read and make notes--does not require any sort of identification whatsoever. It's only when we temporarily deprive the library of a copy of a work, i.e., borrow it, that we have to identify ourselves.
  - jakear 3y ago
    In public libraries sure, but not in many academic libraries or other private ones. Which is of course where the more interesting (not mass-produced) content is held.
    - tgv 3y ago
      And nobody would call those open.
- boesboes 3y ago
  That's not quite the same. I'm not required to make an account with Google to go to the library. Being registered by a government agency and being tracked by multi-national that is famous for abusing tracking data are on a different planet imo. The problem, for me at least, is that I do not use google products. I do not have an account and do not want one. So for me, this is not openly available. We could argue about the merits of being so principled in not using google, but that seems besides the point :) I should be free to no do business with Google and if that precludes me from accessing something, it is not openly available I'd say
- kwhitefoot 3y ago
  On the contrary in every library I have been to you just walk in and browse the books. Last time I went to a university library a librarian was more than willing to help me find the books I needed and didn't ask any questions at all regarding my identity. I dare say that she would have refused to let me walk out with the books but that's understandable and anyway I wanted to refer to them not take them away.
ProllyInfamous 3y ago
I was able to legally download the entire research PDF directly from the linked-to-URL — without logging in [and I do not have any Alphabet accounts, with DNS-block].
- wiz21c 3y ago
  I reckon I didn't say it: I was looking at downloading the datasets, not the PDF.
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uxifo 3y ago
Why so salty? It clearly says additional identification methods are coming, and that if you don't have a Google account you can email to get help signing in.
rmorey 3y ago
Thank you for this feedback. I am on the FlyWire Codex team, and we are working to 1) provide alternate login means and 2) open up parts of Codex to browsing without login

by wiz21c 3y ago

In the article they say openness is really important. But when you to the website, you have to use Google Account... It's open yeah, but someone wants to track you on this...

ggm 3y ago

Being tracked is different, and does not negate openly available. You don't get into every library in the world simply by turning up: identity has been a part of access since writing was invented. You can't request books from many libraries without identifying yourself and the works requested.

Genghis_Khan 3y ago
In most libraries in the US, browsing the collection--even taking books from the shelves to a table for a while to read and make notes--does not require any sort of identification whatsoever. It's only when we temporarily deprive the library of a copy of a work, i.e., borrow it, that we have to identify ourselves.
- jakear 3y ago
  In public libraries sure, but not in many academic libraries or other private ones. Which is of course where the more interesting (not mass-produced) content is held.
  - tgv 3y ago
    And nobody would call those open.
boesboes 3y ago
That's not quite the same. I'm not required to make an account with Google to go to the library. Being registered by a government agency and being tracked by multi-national that is famous for abusing tracking data are on a different planet imo. The problem, for me at least, is that I do not use google products. I do not have an account and do not want one. So for me, this is not openly available. We could argue about the merits of being so principled in not using google, but that seems besides the point :) I should be free to no do business with Google and if that precludes me from accessing something, it is not openly available I'd say
kwhitefoot 3y ago
On the contrary in every library I have been to you just walk in and browse the books. Last time I went to a university library a librarian was more than willing to help me find the books I needed and didn't ask any questions at all regarding my identity. I dare say that she would have refused to let me walk out with the books but that's understandable and anyway I wanted to refer to them not take them away.

ProllyInfamous 3y ago

I was able to legally download the entire research PDF directly from the linked-to-URL — without logging in [and I do not have any Alphabet accounts, with DNS-block].

wiz21c 3y ago
I reckon I didn't say it: I was looking at downloading the datasets, not the PDF.

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uxifo 3y ago

Why so salty? It clearly says additional identification methods are coming, and that if you don't have a Google account you can email to get help signing in.

rmorey 3y ago

Thank you for this feedback. I am on the FlyWire Codex team, and we are working to 1) provide alternate login means and 2) open up parts of Codex to browsing without login