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You have an odd view of Republicans like they're some salt of the earth grass roots folks and not half of the country's political and economic elite. Everything

by Spivak 3y ago

You have an odd view of Republicans like they're some salt of the earth grass roots folks and not half of the country's political and economic elite. Everything you believe about white liberals is equally true about white conservatives. He's not the supreme court justice of plumbers in Iowa he's the supreme court justice of the Republican congressmen and senators that appointed him and the rich donors that support his party. People have built their whole careers on sucking up to Republicans only for them to eventually eventually eat their face. Not two days ago was a prominent Republican gay man who wasted 7 years of his life trying and failing to get Republicans to not hate him. God the amount of poor Republican trans women in the public sphere playing and losing the same game is depressing to watch. Really proves it's not a choice. > If you’re going to accuse someone of being a “pick me,” his political views matter, don’t they. No he's a pick me because he's throwing his weight behind a party that won't hesitate to stab him in the back once he doesn't have anything to offer them anymore. > you’re saying is that white liberals are right about everything Oh god no, but you have a choice of the party that hates you and the party that doesn't. I think it is insane to vote for the former even if you like their other policies. It's easier to sell political Republicanism and conservative fiscal policy to Democrats than it is to sell BLM to Republicans. There is of course a wide range of values among people of every race and creed but you don't vote for values you vote for people. I would love if there was a party that was Republican but dropped all the stupid social issue stuff. They would get my vote in an instant. But there isn't so I vote D. Republicans are being really cavalier with their base of moderates who likely have someone in their lives who is affected by their policies.

rayiner 3y ago
> You have an odd view of Republicans like they're some salt of the earth grass roots folks and not half of the country's political and economic elite. It’s not 1985. The country’s economic centers are in blue urban areas, and the country’s economic elites are overwhelmingly social liberals and libertarians. Wall Street gave overwhelmingly to Clinton and Biden over Trump: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/28/wall-street-spends-74-million-to-support-joe-biden.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/28/wall-street-spends-74-millio.... And even the ones that are nominally republicans, like Chris Christie, are antagonistic to the cultural conservative wing of the party, in which Thomas has become prominent. Religious conservatism is the norm in the Georgia low country where Thomas is from. But it won’t get you anywhere on Wall Street, Silicon Valley, etc.—where the money and power are. > Not two days ago was a prominent Republican gay man who wasted 7 years of his life trying and failing to get Republicans to not hate him. > No he's a pick me because he's throwing his weight behind a party that won't hesitate to stab him in the back once he doesn't have anything to offer them anymore. Your pitch seems to be that Thomas should support the whites who hate the value system of people in his community, based on vague fear mongering about the whites who share their values. “Your grandmother is a bigot, vote for us” isn’t as compelling as you seem to think. > I would love if there was a party that was Republican but dropped all the stupid social issue stuff. That party would be white as hell, and unviable given changing demographics. My Bangladeshi immigrant family has zero interest in small government or deregulation. But trying to teach kids that marriage is about “love” rather than procreation will get a lot of them worked up: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/06/27/muslim-orthodox-lgbtq-books-mcps/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/06/27/muslim-o...

by Spivak 3y ago

rayiner 3y ago

> You have an odd view of Republicans like they're some salt of the earth grass roots folks and not half of the country's political and economic elite. It’s not 1985. The country’s economic centers are in blue urban areas, and the country’s economic elites are overwhelmingly social liberals and libertarians. Wall Street gave overwhelmingly to Clinton and Biden over Trump: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/28/wall-street-spends-74-million-to-support-joe-biden.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/28/wall-street-spends-74-millio.... And even the ones that are nominally republicans, like Chris Christie, are antagonistic to the cultural conservative wing of the party, in which Thomas has become prominent. Religious conservatism is the norm in the Georgia low country where Thomas is from. But it won’t get you anywhere on Wall Street, Silicon Valley, etc.—where the money and power are. > Not two days ago was a prominent Republican gay man who wasted 7 years of his life trying and failing to get Republicans to not hate him. > No he's a pick me because he's throwing his weight behind a party that won't hesitate to stab him in the back once he doesn't have anything to offer them anymore. Your pitch seems to be that Thomas should support the whites who hate the value system of people in his community, based on vague fear mongering about the whites who share their values. “Your grandmother is a bigot, vote for us” isn’t as compelling as you seem to think. > I would love if there was a party that was Republican but dropped all the stupid social issue stuff. That party would be white as hell, and unviable given changing demographics. My Bangladeshi immigrant family has zero interest in small government or deregulation. But trying to teach kids that marriage is about “love” rather than procreation will get a lot of them worked up: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/06/27/muslim-orthodox-lgbtq-books-mcps/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/06/27/muslim-o...