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> They manipulate their currency. They interfere with foreign owned businesses. They steal IP. They're seeking to upset the global money standard. They entrap o
by bugglebeetle 3y ago
> They manipulate their currency. They interfere with foreign owned businesses. They steal IP. They're seeking to upset the global money standard. They entrap other nations with predatory loans for infrastructure. They trade with our other enemies and flaunt sanctions, etc, etc.
Aside from the money standard and zero COVID bits, every part of this is true of the US. This conflict just boils down to “the hegemon doesn’t want any competition.”
> they undercut western manufacturing and all our manufacturing went there.
America’s oligarchs did this to the country. China just leveraged their short-sightedness and greed to the country’s own advantage.
- glompers 3y ago[flagged]
- kelipso 3y agoPlease don't do a whatabout, thanks.
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- Spooky23 3y agoThe Civil War was about the future, not the past. The South was kinda fucked anyway - land rich agricultural barons were an endangered species everywhere at that point. The point was to bring slavery to the West. Not just for the free labor, but because slaves suppress the wages of everyone. The sons of the south getting mowed down in the trenches were fighting for those barons whose prosperity was dependent on their poverty. African slaves meant there was always readily identifiable people worse off than you.
- viraptor 3y agoCan you provide the examples for US part in pervasive IP stealing, predatory infrastructure loans, trading with sanctioned countries? Not single issues (every country will have some examples here and there), but actually using those as long term strategies?
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- Spooky23 3y agoHuh? The US sets the sanctions. We’ve changed our laws to legalize corruption and subsidize export of key industries. Steel is hardly made in Cleveland and Pittsburgh anymore for a simple reason: our tax and regulatory structure was reformed, and makes it more profitable to ship that business to China or Mexico.
- viraptor 3y agoCorrect. But that doesn't support any of the claims I mentioned from bugglebeetle's comment.
- petre 3y agoTo be fair, the US doesn't trade with sanctioned states because they (and the UK) are among the first to sanction other states. The EU just follows. Did China sanction any other states? Maybe Lithuania for opening a Taiwan representation office. But it's not sanctions, it's more like bullying.
- aerio 3y agoChina has sanctioned Lithuania for opening a Taiwan representative office, like you said. Recently, they've also sanctioned Australia after the Australian government requested an independent investigation into the origins of the virus. This escalated into a one-sided trade war, particularly targeting Australian barley, wine and iron/steel exports. As well as Norway, in 2010, after the independent Norwegian Nobel committee granted the Nobel Peace Prize to jailed Chinese human rights activist Liu Xiaobo.
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- senttoschool 3y agoJust curious, if China sanctions the UK, would the US stop trading with the UK? What is your opinion?
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