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I think they are a great gauge of sentiment for exactly the first reason you pointed out. > * They are nonbinding, so they are purely symbolic. So then why di

by _kbh_ 3y ago

I think they are a great gauge of sentiment for exactly the first reason you pointed out. > * They are nonbinding, so they are purely symbolic. So then why didn't more of Russias allies vote for Russia and why did so much of the world vote for Ukraine?.

dragonwriter 3y ago
> So then why didn't more of Russias allies vote for Russia and why did so much of the world vote for Ukraine?. Except for Belarus (and despite the appearance given by the existence of the CSTO) I don’t think Russia substantively has allies.
pydry 3y ago
They abstained, probably because of a combination of being leaned on by both sides and, broadly speaking, a desire not to endorse secessionism. As I mentioned. You did read what I wrote, right? It mirrors this map: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:State_positions_Iraq_war.svg https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:State_positions_Ir... Where, again, the distribution of opinions is more easily explained by "we don't generally want to endorse invasions as a concept, because we're afraid of them" and "we got leaned on". Although the UN vote was presented as an unequivocal condemnation of Ukraine invasion, the condemnation of the invasion actually came from countries representing just over 40% of the world's population. The % of the world population that sanctioned Russia (i.e. that made a gesture that involved sacrifice) was smaller still.
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > It mirrors this map: I dunno if you've even looked at both maps they look nothing like each other. The support for the resolution for Russia to leave Ukraine has far more support then the invasion of Iraq and even has large amounts of support amongst people with didn't support the invasion of Iraq. > Although the UN vote was presented as an unequivocal condemnation of Ukraine invasion, the condemnation of the invasion actually came from countries representing just over 40% of the world's population. Yeah and what percentage of the population voted against it?, im gonna guess without even really googling that is <3% of world population.
  - pydry 3y ago
    >The support for the resolution for Russia to leave Ukraine has far more support then the invasion of Iraq Duh. It mirrors because the support America could muster for its invasion was not much more than the support Russia mustered for its invasion. This was also when America was at the height of its power and could cajole and bully other countries more easily. >Yeah and what percentage of the population voted against it? Probably a similar order of magnitude that supported the invasion of Iraq (in spite of furious and enormous protests for doing so).
    - _kbh_ 3y ago
      > Duh. It mirrors because the support America could muster for its invasion was not much more than the support Russia mustered for its invasion. This is literally not true. The invasion of Iraq had support of the following countries. > Australia, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Ukraine, United Kingdom and (United States). The opposition to the motion on Ukraine is supported by these countries. > Belarus, Eritrea, North Korea, Russia, Syria The invasion of Iraq was supported by closed to 10x more countries. > Probably a similar order of magnitude that supported the invasion of Iraq (in spite of furious and enormous protests for doing so). Once against objectively not true. The population of the counties that voted against the motion for Russia to leave Ukraine > 203.65 million The population of the countries that voted to invade Iraq. > 954.346 million There was 5x more support nearly to the invasion of Iraq than the opposition to the bill of Russia to leave Ukraine.
      - pydry 3y ago
        >The invasion of Iraq was supported by closed to 10x more countries. 4x. More, because America's power to lean on other countries is higher. As I said. 203 million and 954 million are also within the same order of magnitude. I think no more discussion is warranted here.
        _kbh_ 3y ago

by _kbh_ 3y ago

dragonwriter 3y ago

> So then why didn't more of Russias allies vote for Russia and why did so much of the world vote for Ukraine?. Except for Belarus (and despite the appearance given by the existence of the CSTO) I don’t think Russia substantively has allies.

pydry 3y ago

They abstained, probably because of a combination of being leaned on by both sides and, broadly speaking, a desire not to endorse secessionism. As I mentioned. You did read what I wrote, right? It mirrors this map: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:State_positions_Iraq_war.svg https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:State_positions_Ir... Where, again, the distribution of opinions is more easily explained by "we don't generally want to endorse invasions as a concept, because we're afraid of them" and "we got leaned on". Although the UN vote was presented as an unequivocal condemnation of Ukraine invasion, the condemnation of the invasion actually came from countries representing just over 40% of the world's population. The % of the world population that sanctioned Russia (i.e. that made a gesture that involved sacrifice) was smaller still.

_kbh_ 3y ago
> It mirrors this map: I dunno if you've even looked at both maps they look nothing like each other. The support for the resolution for Russia to leave Ukraine has far more support then the invasion of Iraq and even has large amounts of support amongst people with didn't support the invasion of Iraq. > Although the UN vote was presented as an unequivocal condemnation of Ukraine invasion, the condemnation of the invasion actually came from countries representing just over 40% of the world's population. Yeah and what percentage of the population voted against it?, im gonna guess without even really googling that is <3% of world population.
- pydry 3y ago
  >The support for the resolution for Russia to leave Ukraine has far more support then the invasion of Iraq Duh. It mirrors because the support America could muster for its invasion was not much more than the support Russia mustered for its invasion. This was also when America was at the height of its power and could cajole and bully other countries more easily. >Yeah and what percentage of the population voted against it? Probably a similar order of magnitude that supported the invasion of Iraq (in spite of furious and enormous protests for doing so).
  - _kbh_ 3y ago
    > Duh. It mirrors because the support America could muster for its invasion was not much more than the support Russia mustered for its invasion. This is literally not true. The invasion of Iraq had support of the following countries. > Australia, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Netherlands, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Ukraine, United Kingdom and (United States). The opposition to the motion on Ukraine is supported by these countries. > Belarus, Eritrea, North Korea, Russia, Syria The invasion of Iraq was supported by closed to 10x more countries. > Probably a similar order of magnitude that supported the invasion of Iraq (in spite of furious and enormous protests for doing so). Once against objectively not true. The population of the counties that voted against the motion for Russia to leave Ukraine > 203.65 million The population of the countries that voted to invade Iraq. > 954.346 million There was 5x more support nearly to the invasion of Iraq than the opposition to the bill of Russia to leave Ukraine.
    - pydry 3y ago
      >The invasion of Iraq was supported by closed to 10x more countries. 4x. More, because America's power to lean on other countries is higher. As I said. 203 million and 954 million are also within the same order of magnitude. I think no more discussion is warranted here.
      - _kbh_ 3y ago