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So in other words managers are big toddlers that have to be talked into making good decisions using cheap emotional manipulation tactics. Honestly that kind of

So in other words managers are big toddlers that have to be talked into making good decisions using cheap emotional manipulation tactics. Honestly that kind of checks out

vachina 3y ago
It is of my opinion that if the manager had to be babied that way they have no business being a manager, especially in leading a technical team.
- fallingfrog 3y ago
  And yet here we are
tbrownaw 3y ago
Where is the post doing that? Where it lists the people impacted? Where it implies (but doesn't explicitly assert) that the disruption is enough to impact their ability to meet deadlines?
- fallingfrog 3y ago
  Well my comment is a bit tongue in cheek. Tone doesn’t come across online sometimes.
kcplate 3y ago
In my experience both as an engineer and a manager, the engineerspeak is not always as simple as the example here (which in itself is overly “explainy”). Many engineers have a tendency to over explain and provide too much detail to management. I know I was guilty of this once. Ultimately what you think is a reasoned and simple argument in favor of a proposed changes just becomes a jumbled mess of meaningless details. You don’t need to dumb it down and manipulate anything—just be brief. Brevity and sticking to facts are key. - One of the two servers has disk space issues - Using the low space server for these jobs is costing us a productivity time loss for our engineers who have to manage the low disk space issues - we would like to move some jobs to the other server to eliminate the cost of managing the disk space. - there are no hard costs associated with making this change, only savings.
tslmy 3y ago
Author here. There are some managers that do need such babysitting, particularly if you are in a non-tech industry. Thanks for the comment. I realized I didn't mention when this kind of tactics might be useful. Added the following paragraph to the end of my post: > At this point, you might start to wonder: What kind of incompetent managers deserve this degree of babysitting? They probably don’t in the tech industry, but not every engineer work at a tech company. They might be in retail, fashion, film production, etc., where there just happened to have a need for software development. Even those who do work in tech might wish to move to an industry that is less tech-centric, at which point these communication skills will prove handy.

So in other words managers are big toddlers that have to be talked into making good decisions using cheap emotional manipulation tactics. Honestly that kind of checks out

vachina 3y ago

It is of my opinion that if the manager had to be babied that way they have no business being a manager, especially in leading a technical team.

fallingfrog 3y ago
And yet here we are

tbrownaw 3y ago

Where is the post doing that? Where it lists the people impacted? Where it implies (but doesn't explicitly assert) that the disruption is enough to impact their ability to meet deadlines?

fallingfrog 3y ago
Well my comment is a bit tongue in cheek. Tone doesn’t come across online sometimes.

kcplate 3y ago

In my experience both as an engineer and a manager, the engineerspeak is not always as simple as the example here (which in itself is overly “explainy”). Many engineers have a tendency to over explain and provide too much detail to management. I know I was guilty of this once. Ultimately what you think is a reasoned and simple argument in favor of a proposed changes just becomes a jumbled mess of meaningless details. You don’t need to dumb it down and manipulate anything—just be brief. Brevity and sticking to facts are key. - One of the two servers has disk space issues - Using the low space server for these jobs is costing us a productivity time loss for our engineers who have to manage the low disk space issues - we would like to move some jobs to the other server to eliminate the cost of managing the disk space. - there are no hard costs associated with making this change, only savings.

tslmy 3y ago

Author here. There are some managers that do need such babysitting, particularly if you are in a non-tech industry. Thanks for the comment. I realized I didn't mention when this kind of tactics might be useful. Added the following paragraph to the end of my post: > At this point, you might start to wonder: What kind of incompetent managers deserve this degree of babysitting? They probably don’t in the tech industry, but not every engineer work at a tech company. They might be in retail, fashion, film production, etc., where there just happened to have a need for software development. Even those who do work in tech might wish to move to an industry that is less tech-centric, at which point these communication skills will prove handy.