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> I should be able to put in my own dialer, one that can record phone calls Allowing third party apps to actually record your voice. In a climate where many t

> I should be able to put in my own dialer, one that can record phone calls Allowing third party apps to actually record your voice. In a climate where many types of apps make money purely through selling your data to data brokers who in turn syndicate that data to countless other companies and governments. All without your knowledge or explicit consent. And where mere snippets of your voice is enough to have a model authentically replicate it and use it for social engineering or to access services that rely on voice identification e.g. Australian Tax Office. In terms of the worst ideas ever, this is easily one of them.

Ukv 3y ago
> > I should be able to put in my own dialer, one that can record phone calls > Allowing third party apps to actually record your voice. Android/iOS already allow apps to request microphone access. > In a climate where many types of apps make money purely through selling your data to data brokers "my own" should be able to include something I've compiled myself - not just Apple's App Store or Google Play Store, which even when source code is available elsewhere there's no guarantee that's what was used for the binary available on the store.
- TheNewsIsHere 3y ago
  I think you’re making an orthogonal point to my response here, but I did want to note that technically there is nothing stopping any of us from writing a CallKit app that could do this. But it’s a huge pain in the ass just to get call recordings. That kind of effort shouldn’t be necessary in 2023, and it’s asinine that we don’t have call recording natively yet. (Though, we also don’t have any sane way of archiving Visual Voicemail data despite the fact that they’re just audio files downloaded via IMAP.) I agree that a “nanny state” prohibition on useful features for the user just because some actors are abusive is a touch crazy.
WirelessGigabit 3y ago
The fact that the Australian Tax Office uses this method should not preclude me, a resident of a one party consent state, from recording a phone call. In fact, the fact that the Australian Tax Office used a security method that is highly flawed should not preclude me from recording a phone call.

Ukv 3y ago

> > I should be able to put in my own dialer, one that can record phone calls > Allowing third party apps to actually record your voice. Android/iOS already allow apps to request microphone access. > In a climate where many types of apps make money purely through selling your data to data brokers "my own" should be able to include something I've compiled myself - not just Apple's App Store or Google Play Store, which even when source code is available elsewhere there's no guarantee that's what was used for the binary available on the store.

TheNewsIsHere 3y ago
I think you’re making an orthogonal point to my response here, but I did want to note that technically there is nothing stopping any of us from writing a CallKit app that could do this. But it’s a huge pain in the ass just to get call recordings. That kind of effort shouldn’t be necessary in 2023, and it’s asinine that we don’t have call recording natively yet. (Though, we also don’t have any sane way of archiving Visual Voicemail data despite the fact that they’re just audio files downloaded via IMAP.) I agree that a “nanny state” prohibition on useful features for the user just because some actors are abusive is a touch crazy.

WirelessGigabit 3y ago

The fact that the Australian Tax Office uses this method should not preclude me, a resident of a one party consent state, from recording a phone call. In fact, the fact that the Australian Tax Office used a security method that is highly flawed should not preclude me from recording a phone call.