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Can we please recognize that this is a holiday weekend and Elon rammed a big release forcing his engineers to come in and iterate multiple patches over the last
by tmpz22 3y ago
Can we please recognize that this is a holiday weekend and Elon rammed a big release forcing his engineers to come in and iterate multiple patches over the last 12 hours.
- truemotive 3y agoextremely recognized.
- EGreg 3y agorecognized even more
- gitfan86 3y ago[flagged]
- intunderflow 3y agoSome of the remaining engineers may be stuck due to H1B
- ertian 3y agoCanada just changed their immigration program such that they'll accept all H1B holders (working or not) into Canada with a similar visa, but without the requirement to find a job immediately. Something to look into for any Twitter (or other) engineers who are bound to a company due to lack of options. https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2023/06/28/us-h1-b-visa-holders-targeted-by-canadas-new-immigration-program/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/andyjsemotiuk/2023/06/28/us-h1-...
- intunderflow 3y agoSure, but if you've built your life in the United States that still means moving country
- PestoDiRucola 3y agoWhat kind of argument is this. So engineers have to pick between working on a long weekend and not shipping any code without any option in-between?
- lolinder 3y agoYou seem to be positing that there are two choices: 1. Work for a toxic dictator who makes bad, micro-managed technical decisions and then expects his engineers to work a holiday weekend to clean up his mess. 2. Never ship code, ever. I'm pleased to report that most software engineers exist happily somewhere in between these two extremes, and I would recommend you find a new job if you don't.
- gitfan86 3y agoActually, I work at a job that perfectly fits my desired work/life balance and desired code shipping frequency/schedule. You seem to be assuming that people working at Twitter don't have the ability to look for another job, if they are unhappy.
- paxys 3y agoTwitter Engineers have had over a year to get out and find another job. At this point the terms of their employment and the expectations from their boss are all crystal clear. Hard to sympathize with those who continue to stick around for whatever reason.
- buitreVirtual 3y agoIn this job market, it's hard. And many engineers are on H1B visas so it's even harder to jump ship.
- paxys 3y agoIf they truly cannot get another job despite trying hard for 15 months then really they should be thanking Musk for giving them a steady paycheck when no one else in the industry will.
- Wingy 3y agoIf I understand correctly, the U.S. doesn’t allow them to get another job without getting a new H-1B and there are dramatically more applicants than visas each year. They are unlikely to get a new one so their options are to either stay at Twitter or leave the U.S.
- paxys 3y agoYou understand wrong. If you already have an H-1B visa then you don't need to enter the lottery again. You just need another job offer in a similar role, and can start working immediately.
- windowshopping 3y agoCan you provide a source on this? It sounds like you know what you're talking about, but this is the internet and I'm not in a position to tell if you're mistaken or not.
- nashashmi 3y agoThe arrogance of the guy is so huge, hubris does not touch him. Thoughts are with the programmers. What I’m more surprised about is how gum and shoestring the twitter engineering is now a days. They put in no emphasis on doing deep divides into the code base and instead opt to do the simplest shortest fix. And it causes problems.
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- starbugs 3y agoApplying the simplest shortest fix can sometimes be a good method to synchronize the state of the code with management. Instead of engineering trying to buffer and fix weird management decisions, this just exposes them.
- suction 3y ago[dead]
- bilekas 3y agoFrom experience management really don't care about the state of the code or infrastructure. All they want to know is the soonest something can be done. Elon strikes me as worse because he likes to think he understands what his engineers know.
- bborud 3y ago> Elon strikes me as worse because he likes to think he understands > what his engineers know. Early on in my career I had a name for this. I called it "gamle helter" in Norwegian which roughly translates to "old heroes". An "old hero" is someone who used to be competent in a field, has stopped being competent, doesn't recognize this themselves and is now a nuisance to anyone who actually knows what they are doing, but can't pull rank. One way to become an old hero is typically to end up in management and not practice whatever discipline you think you understand. To be fair, I highly doubt that Musk was ever a competent software engineer, much less a good engineering manager. He is a PR person. He sells an image that he is a technology person.
- TheHappyOddish 3y agoWhat holiday is it?
- voganmother42 3y agoIs this really easier than consulting a calendar? Its the weekend before the 4th of July, the independence day for USA - many employers give employees Monday and Tuesday off, creating a potential four day break during what is typically very good weather - that being said Twitter is presumably (still) an international company with people in all different holiday areas.
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- TheHappyOddish 3y agoI searched "what holiday is it this weekend" on kagi and found nothing. I don't know what country GP is in and I haven't heard about any public holidays this weekend. The "America is the default" is tiring. The US makes up ~ 5% of the population, and most of us do not default to American thinking.
- woodson 3y agoI generally agree with your sentiment, but Twitter is a US company with most of their employees residing in the US (at least presumably?). So in this case it’s reasonable to assume they meant it’s a holiday in the US.
- bombolo 3y agoIt might be a surprise to you, but people who don't live in the USA have no idea of what the holidays in the USA are!
- joeythedolphin 3y agoYup! And as somebody living in the United States, it is not so obvious how I would learn about Russian holidays, etc.
- TX81Z 3y agoBut at least they got to deploy directly to prod.
- croes 3y agoAnd? These are the hardcore programmers of Twitter 2.0, aren't they?
- romanovcode 3y agoAFAIK most are H1B holders who are in "hostage" situation.
- croes 3y agoSo a different kind of hardcore
- berniedurfee 3y agoUnion workers would typically collect double or triple time in these instances. Time and a half at least.