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This is a lot more complex than just praising the US for the state of affairs past World War II. Bootstrapping Europe with the Marshall plan was great. But West

by chx 3y ago

This is a lot more complex than just praising the US for the state of affairs past World War II. Bootstrapping Europe with the Marshall plan was great. But Western European peace is largely entrenched thanks to the Schuman Plan leading to the formation of the Steel And Coal Community eventually mutating into the European Union. US efforts elsewhere are ... not great? While the US involvement in the 1949 coup in Syria is not clear, it's certainly sus how quickly the president approved a pipeline. Then there was Iran shortly after with Mossadegh (https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthrew-irans-democracy-in-four-days https://www.npr.org/2019/01/31/690363402/how-the-cia-overthr...) etc Central and Southern America , well , can we even name a country where they haven't intervened for the worse?

deaddodo 3y ago
I didn't praise the US anywhere in that post. I simply stated that the geopolitical situation resulting from their being "numbah one" (Pax Americana) has been, pretty much without question, the most warless, healthy, prosperous and equitable time in history. And that a significant portion of that is directly correlated to their political, militaristic and technological motives. When their direct/closest allies are added in, that grows to the vast majority. Nothing about that is praise, it's just fact. Hating them is worth nothing, if the replacement (and it's geopolitical aura) is worse; beyond a "gotcha murricans" that would fade in a decade. Few would argue for the world being better if the Soviet Union "won" the Cold War and the US collapsed, especially given the current situation. That all being said, we could easily take this offline and have a direct conversation on Latin America and how there are hundreds of ways it was positively affected by Pax Americana (even in a net positive, for most), despite the terrible things it's done. And how all of the other regional powers were acting in the exact same manner (worse, in many cases), but receive far less attention in the shadow of the US. My degree/education is in precisely that field, after all.

by chx 3y ago

deaddodo 3y ago

I didn't praise the US anywhere in that post. I simply stated that the geopolitical situation resulting from their being "numbah one" (Pax Americana) has been, pretty much without question, the most warless, healthy, prosperous and equitable time in history. And that a significant portion of that is directly correlated to their political, militaristic and technological motives. When their direct/closest allies are added in, that grows to the vast majority. Nothing about that is praise, it's just fact. Hating them is worth nothing, if the replacement (and it's geopolitical aura) is worse; beyond a "gotcha murricans" that would fade in a decade. Few would argue for the world being better if the Soviet Union "won" the Cold War and the US collapsed, especially given the current situation. That all being said, we could easily take this offline and have a direct conversation on Latin America and how there are hundreds of ways it was positively affected by Pax Americana (even in a net positive, for most), despite the terrible things it's done. And how all of the other regional powers were acting in the exact same manner (worse, in many cases), but receive far less attention in the shadow of the US. My degree/education is in precisely that field, after all.