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The worldview changing result of Hubble was HUDF and the revelation that it doesn’t matter how deep you look it’s all the same damn spirals and shit. I wouldn’

The worldview changing result of Hubble was HUDF and the revelation that it doesn’t matter how deep you look it’s all the same damn spirals and shit. I wouldn’t know what JWST’s result would be, if I knew it a priori it wouldn’t be much of a result would it? But I don’t expect much. Happy to be pleasantly surprised.

krisoft 3y ago
> The worldview changing result of Hubble was HUDF and the revelation that it doesn’t matter how deep you look it’s all the same damn spirals and shit. Interesting. What was your world view before this and how did it changed? Did you for example believed earlier that only the galaxies we have mapped so far do exist? > if I knew it a priori it wouldn’t be much of a result would it? Yet you are already certain it “did not materialise”. What was the latency between the photons of HUDF hitting Hubble’s mirror and your worldview being changed?
- explaininjs 3y ago
  I had hoped that looking closer might revel something different than what we already saw. It didn’t. Certainly nothing has materialized yet, which is all I claimed. Do you feel anything of significance has come from the project?
  - the_third_wave 3y ago
    Something has materialised, those "damn spirals and shit" were around way earlier than thought. Maybe it is damn spirals and shit all the way down into the primordial quark soup? Need a bigger telescope to find out but that is just the way these things work. I say go for that bigger telescope, more of this type of research and "moonshots" and all. This is the final frontier we're talking about, the place where dreams go. They may go to die but we'll only find out if we try so try we should. Without this type of research all that is left is to take a microscope to this pale blue dot we live on which would be fine were it not for the fact that the microscope would most likely be taken over by the same prophets of doom who cry woe over all the human race does. Let us look outward as well as inward to gain some perspective, let the doom-criers realise that the universe is big and dark and full of places to park.
    - explaininjs 3y ago
      > those "damn spirals and shit" were around way earlier than thought You’re telling me someone with exposure to HUDF saw more spirals and shit longer ago via JWST and said “wow that’s unexpected, who could have guessed spirals and shit would go further back”? And you believed them? If so, I have a bridge to sell you… Either they have no pattern recognition/projection capability, or (more likely) they’re pretending to express shock at the exact result they expected because it results in more media attention and funding. Consider, what gets more media attention: “JWST finds more of the exact same stuff Hubble already found everywhere, but this time at the slightly lower frequency for which it is tuned” or “Breaking News! Scientists working on the JWST say they have found signs of early galaxies that have been around for far longer than anyone ever imaged before!”? If you look closely, the two messages are the exact same. But to the media/layperson something interesting is happening in the second one.

krisoft 3y ago

> The worldview changing result of Hubble was HUDF and the revelation that it doesn’t matter how deep you look it’s all the same damn spirals and shit. Interesting. What was your world view before this and how did it changed? Did you for example believed earlier that only the galaxies we have mapped so far do exist? > if I knew it a priori it wouldn’t be much of a result would it? Yet you are already certain it “did not materialise”. What was the latency between the photons of HUDF hitting Hubble’s mirror and your worldview being changed?

explaininjs 3y ago
I had hoped that looking closer might revel something different than what we already saw. It didn’t. Certainly nothing has materialized yet, which is all I claimed. Do you feel anything of significance has come from the project?
- the_third_wave 3y ago
  Something has materialised, those "damn spirals and shit" were around way earlier than thought. Maybe it is damn spirals and shit all the way down into the primordial quark soup? Need a bigger telescope to find out but that is just the way these things work. I say go for that bigger telescope, more of this type of research and "moonshots" and all. This is the final frontier we're talking about, the place where dreams go. They may go to die but we'll only find out if we try so try we should. Without this type of research all that is left is to take a microscope to this pale blue dot we live on which would be fine were it not for the fact that the microscope would most likely be taken over by the same prophets of doom who cry woe over all the human race does. Let us look outward as well as inward to gain some perspective, let the doom-criers realise that the universe is big and dark and full of places to park.
  - explaininjs 3y ago
    > those "damn spirals and shit" were around way earlier than thought You’re telling me someone with exposure to HUDF saw more spirals and shit longer ago via JWST and said “wow that’s unexpected, who could have guessed spirals and shit would go further back”? And you believed them? If so, I have a bridge to sell you… Either they have no pattern recognition/projection capability, or (more likely) they’re pretending to express shock at the exact result they expected because it results in more media attention and funding. Consider, what gets more media attention: “JWST finds more of the exact same stuff Hubble already found everywhere, but this time at the slightly lower frequency for which it is tuned” or “Breaking News! Scientists working on the JWST say they have found signs of early galaxies that have been around for far longer than anyone ever imaged before!”? If you look closely, the two messages are the exact same. But to the media/layperson something interesting is happening in the second one.