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Sounds like someone has no clue what anarchism is! Hint: it's not about rules, it's about hierarchy.

chongli 3y ago
Don’t they also have moderators? People to enforce the rules? Plus an administrator who owns the server and can even remove moderators? That’s a hierarchy.
- briantakita 3y ago
  It's just a server, not governance over their collective. Ideally they had backups or people owned their own data on a DHT or Blockchain. Otherwise the administrator has custody over the data...similar to a bank having custody over funds. My understanding is if someone breaks the trust, the victims would have a way to settle grievances...probably through a fine or some other financial means.
boredhedgehog 3y ago
So you're saying nobody is enforcing the rules? Or everyone enforces them equally?
lannisterstark 3y ago
You realize that heirarchy is exactly how you enforce rules, correct? You can't enforce rules without heirarchy. Seems to me it's you who has no idea what anarchy is. "no slaves, no masters" doesn't mean people who can arbitrarily enforce "rules."
- EA-3167 3y ago
  Never, EVER get into a semantic debate with people who are lying to themselves.
- BasedAnon 3y ago
  no you don't understand their hierarchy is totally temporary and they can just change it at any time unlike 'unjustified' hierarchies, also everything will just operate on a gift economy and somehow no one will exploit this
- unicornporn 3y ago
  > You realize that heirarchy is exactly how you enforce rules, correct? You can't enforce rules without heirarchy. That's not necessarily true, is it? All participants of an instance or group could practice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy to form and enforce a set of rules without hierarchies. Not saying that's what happened here though...
  - lannisterstark 3y ago
    Sure, but I don't think just only having direct democracy is sufficient, especially in an anarchist society. The only nation state currently that somewhat has a form of direct democracy (Major emphasis on somewhat)- Switzerland- still has absurd hierarchies, some even more so than other countries, where entire cantons can decide who can or cannot move somewhere.
- briantakita 3y ago
  I hear the analogy of nations having an anarchist relationship with each other. There is no hierarchy of soverign nations but there certainly are power dynamics. If one nation breaks a treaty, for example, the other nation delivers some form of punishment as a deterrence.
- chowells 3y ago
  What does it matter what I realize? I was explaining what anarchists believe, and why "you have rules!!!" is not some sort of clever gotcha. As an adult human, I'm fully capable of understanding beliefs without sharing them.

Don’t they also have moderators? People to enforce the rules? Plus an administrator who owns the server and can even remove moderators? That’s a hierarchy.

briantakita 3y ago
It's just a server, not governance over their collective. Ideally they had backups or people owned their own data on a DHT or Blockchain. Otherwise the administrator has custody over the data...similar to a bank having custody over funds. My understanding is if someone breaks the trust, the victims would have a way to settle grievances...probably through a fine or some other financial means.

boredhedgehog 3y ago

So you're saying nobody is enforcing the rules? Or everyone enforces them equally?

lannisterstark 3y ago

You realize that heirarchy is exactly how you enforce rules, correct? You can't enforce rules without heirarchy. Seems to me it's you who has no idea what anarchy is. "no slaves, no masters" doesn't mean people who can arbitrarily enforce "rules."

EA-3167 3y ago
Never, EVER get into a semantic debate with people who are lying to themselves.
BasedAnon 3y ago
no you don't understand their hierarchy is totally temporary and they can just change it at any time unlike 'unjustified' hierarchies, also everything will just operate on a gift economy and somehow no one will exploit this
unicornporn 3y ago
> You realize that heirarchy is exactly how you enforce rules, correct? You can't enforce rules without heirarchy. That's not necessarily true, is it? All participants of an instance or group could practice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy to form and enforce a set of rules without hierarchies. Not saying that's what happened here though...
- lannisterstark 3y ago
  Sure, but I don't think just only having direct democracy is sufficient, especially in an anarchist society. The only nation state currently that somewhat has a form of direct democracy (Major emphasis on somewhat)- Switzerland- still has absurd hierarchies, some even more so than other countries, where entire cantons can decide who can or cannot move somewhere.
briantakita 3y ago
I hear the analogy of nations having an anarchist relationship with each other. There is no hierarchy of soverign nations but there certainly are power dynamics. If one nation breaks a treaty, for example, the other nation delivers some form of punishment as a deterrence.
chowells 3y ago
What does it matter what I realize? I was explaining what anarchists believe, and why "you have rules!!!" is not some sort of clever gotcha. As an adult human, I'm fully capable of understanding beliefs without sharing them.