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"The so-called victim must have realized that going out dressed like that last night would collide with the interests of young, frustrated males in her vicinity

"The so-called victim must have realized that going out dressed like that last night would collide with the interests of young, frustrated males in her vicinity. Who, as she must understand, would surely be unable to control their impulses. And so what happened after that was just the inevitable consequence of her recklessness."

avgcorrection 3y ago
> victim We’re talking about the US here, not Ukraine. Yes, if you are a third-party citizen and observe a woman as well as a group of men who you suspect to be absolutely predatory scumbags, you can make predictions about what might happen.
- lisasays 3y ago
  You know who the "victim" of the current invasion is. It's not the US. Yes, if you are a third-party citizen and observe ... This is just spin and narrative to suggest that the war isn't really Putin's fault.
  - avgcorrection 3y ago
    > You know who the "victim" of the current invasion is. It's not the US. Mhm. The whole topic here is about how America could/couldn’t have anticipated the invasion. The very comment that you replied to says “The Pentagon should have”… that’s not Ukraine. Not my problem that you are off-topic.
    - lisasays 3y ago
      The whole topic here is about how America could/couldn’t have anticipated the invasion. The topic here, at least where it started to veer way off course from the original thread, is the essentially pro-Kremlin narrative in the GGGP comment and its GP ("The proxy war started in 2014 with Euromaidan"). In this context - US calculations as such are a red herring. What matters here is the clear (and basically rather crass) implication in these comments of core Western responsibility for Russia's military actions. Which implication your words definitely seemed to be (if obliquely) echoing and supporting. Or at least playing footsie with, for some reason known only to you.
      - avgcorrection 3y ago
        > Which implication your words definitely seemed to be (if obliquely) echoing and supporting. Or at least playing footsie with, for some reason known only to you. I’ll note that you can’t even accuse me of doing anything even remotely concrete. “Seemed to.” “If obliquely.” “Playing footsie.” All just accusations of association. Not a leg to stand on at all. Take your control round over who is batting for the correct team elsewhere. > US calculations as such are a red herring. Then just say that. My God. No one cares.
        lisasays 3y ago
        I’ll note that you can’t even accuse me of doing anything even remotely concrete. Probably because you're throwing up such an ink cloud that it's difficult to what point you're trying to make, let along for which "team".
        avgcorrection 3y ago
        No it isn’t. This is what you replied to: > The Pentagon should have recognized that the Eastern expansion of NATO This is your mock-quote: > "The so-called victim must have realized that going out dressed like that Clearly you are mocking this statement on what the Pentagon “should have realized”. Then I come along and point out that the mock-quote doesn’t apply since The Pentagon is not the victim in this war. It’s not my fault that you want to find my spooky ulterior motives.

avgcorrection 3y ago

> victim We’re talking about the US here, not Ukraine. Yes, if you are a third-party citizen and observe a woman as well as a group of men who you suspect to be absolutely predatory scumbags, you can make predictions about what might happen.

lisasays 3y ago
You know who the "victim" of the current invasion is. It's not the US. Yes, if you are a third-party citizen and observe ... This is just spin and narrative to suggest that the war isn't really Putin's fault.
- avgcorrection 3y ago
  > You know who the "victim" of the current invasion is. It's not the US. Mhm. The whole topic here is about how America could/couldn’t have anticipated the invasion. The very comment that you replied to says “The Pentagon should have”… that’s not Ukraine. Not my problem that you are off-topic.
  - lisasays 3y ago
    The whole topic here is about how America could/couldn’t have anticipated the invasion. The topic here, at least where it started to veer way off course from the original thread, is the essentially pro-Kremlin narrative in the GGGP comment and its GP ("The proxy war started in 2014 with Euromaidan"). In this context - US calculations as such are a red herring. What matters here is the clear (and basically rather crass) implication in these comments of core Western responsibility for Russia's military actions. Which implication your words definitely seemed to be (if obliquely) echoing and supporting. Or at least playing footsie with, for some reason known only to you.
    - avgcorrection 3y ago
      > Which implication your words definitely seemed to be (if obliquely) echoing and supporting. Or at least playing footsie with, for some reason known only to you. I’ll note that you can’t even accuse me of doing anything even remotely concrete. “Seemed to.” “If obliquely.” “Playing footsie.” All just accusations of association. Not a leg to stand on at all. Take your control round over who is batting for the correct team elsewhere. > US calculations as such are a red herring. Then just say that. My God. No one cares.
      - lisasays 3y ago
        I’ll note that you can’t even accuse me of doing anything even remotely concrete. Probably because you're throwing up such an ink cloud that it's difficult to what point you're trying to make, let along for which "team".
        avgcorrection 3y ago
        No it isn’t. This is what you replied to: > The Pentagon should have recognized that the Eastern expansion of NATO This is your mock-quote: > "The so-called victim must have realized that going out dressed like that Clearly you are mocking this statement on what the Pentagon “should have realized”. Then I come along and point out that the mock-quote doesn’t apply since The Pentagon is not the victim in this war. It’s not my fault that you want to find my spooky ulterior motives.