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From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants#Coffee_temperature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restau... > Mc

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants#Coffee_temperature https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restau... > McDonald's current policy is to serve coffee at 176–194 °F (80–90 °C) > Similarly, as of 2004, Starbucks sells coffee at 175–185 °F (79–85 °C), and the executive director of the Specialty Coffee Association of America reported that the standard serving temperature is 160–185 °F (71–85 °C). That 9 degree gap between McDonalds and Starbucks isn't very meaningful since both those lower bounds are more than hot enough to cause third degree burns. 155F coffee can cause third degree burns to children and the elderly within 1 second of contact: [PDF] https://www.regionalonehealth.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Scald-Burns-Flyer.pdf https://www.regionalonehealth.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02...

croes 3y ago
So McDonald's still values profit over customer protection. What's the point in mentioning Starbucks coffee temperature in 2004? It's about franchises like McDonald's in 1994
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  Coffee burns work the same no matter the year. Get a big cup of black coffee today from Starbucks or virtually any other coffee shop and it will be hot enough to give you third degree burns in less than a second. The hot coffee lawsuit is like if somebody bought a fancy chef knife and the blade fell out of the handle and stabbed them in the foot. Their lawyers then argue that the blade was far too sharp and also the handle was defective. They win the lawsuit because the handle was in fact defective. But now you have people on the internet saying that knife co made knives too sharp, when in reality any good knife will be sharp enough to stab your foot. The outcome of the lawsuit was correct but everybody took away the wrong lesson from it.

croes 3y ago

So McDonald's still values profit over customer protection. What's the point in mentioning Starbucks coffee temperature in 2004? It's about franchises like McDonald's in 1994

mcpackieh 3y ago
Coffee burns work the same no matter the year. Get a big cup of black coffee today from Starbucks or virtually any other coffee shop and it will be hot enough to give you third degree burns in less than a second. The hot coffee lawsuit is like if somebody bought a fancy chef knife and the blade fell out of the handle and stabbed them in the foot. Their lawyers then argue that the blade was far too sharp and also the handle was defective. They win the lawsuit because the handle was in fact defective. But now you have people on the internet saying that knife co made knives too sharp, when in reality any good knife will be sharp enough to stab your foot. The outcome of the lawsuit was correct but everybody took away the wrong lesson from it.