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There are much bigger issues. 1. Users or one might say content creators don't own their data. Not just do those platform owners make a lot of money with the c
by trompetenaccoun 3y ago
There are much bigger issues.
1. Users or one might say content creators don't own their data. Not just do those platform owners make a lot of money with the content (which they have a license to, as per site ToS) but then you have third parties scraping it now for commercial products. Using the data to train models that are then sold back to some of the same social media users who produced the content for free in the first place wasn't a thing until very recently, it used to be a select few doing machine learning research in the past. The laws are lacking behind the tech development and regular internet users are being exploited because of it.
2. It absolutely is stealing in some cases, and even worse. For example when they scrape it for content which they then use to train their bots to impersonate humans. Or on Twitter, there's a very common type of bot that steals content from young attractive female social media users in China, auto-translated to English, to pose as them. If you're in finance and crypto circles they're swarming with these accounts (guess the scammers know their targets).
3. In general this is only going to get worse from here on. LLM are getting better and better. On sites like Twitter you already have no idea if you're interacting with a human or not. But these "AI" can not actually think for themselves, they can only emulate, they can copy other humans. At least so far. So for the sake of making progress and ensuring we can still have intelligent discussions and find novel ideas online, it's imperative to have a way to keep the machines out. Social media must become sybil resistant or it dies in a vicious circle of self-referencing bots ever parroting the same old talking points, or variations thereof. We urgently need human ID!
- M2Ys4U 3y agoTheft requires the victim to be deprived of their property. Nobody is deprived of their property, intellectual or otherwise, when this stuff happens, thus is it not right to call it stealing.
- autoexec 3y agoYou may wish AI didn't exist, but it does. There's no putting the genie back in the bottle. We can still go after people who commit crimes using AI. Perhaps one day AGI will be possible and we will want to have discussions and share ideas with it just as do now with each other. Governments, researchers, and all kinds of third parties have already been scraping every publicly available bit of data possible. There may be an increase now, but it's nothing new. It won't be the end of the society or the end of the internet anymore than AI will. Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4
- trompetenaccoun 3y agoWe may be using different definitions of 'intelligence'. To me there is no AI that currently exists but I'm aware the companies market it as such of course. >have already been scraping every publicly available bit of data possible Data scraping is limited by economics just like anything else in the world. Storage costs money, someone has to pay for it. Researchers do not have unlimited funds. Some select few governments like the US may have most of the publicly accessible web archived. Keep in mind it's dynamic and requires massive data infrastructure to pull this off, there's tons of new data coming in daily. Private startups getting in on the action in a big way is a relatively new phenomenon, this used to be limited to enterprises with a specific purpose. Now everyone and their 4chan cousin are experimenting with their own deep learning models.
- DropInIn 3y ago[flagged]