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SpaceX rocket launches Euclid space telescope to map the 'dark universe'
- emadehsan 3y agoWish there were opportunities for non-European & non-American people to work in these inspiring and endeavoring organizations
- ragebol 3y agoIndia has ISRO Japan has JAXA The UAE have a space agency that even has a Mars mission running currently. Same for China. There's more I'm forgetting, but space stuff is not limited to Europe and the US.
- darknavi 3y agoVery true, although I assume that most or all of those listed have their own form of ITAR. Space (mostly defense) is inherently siloed to country borders.
- edge17 3y agoIsn't that most large capital intensive efforts? Also to be fair a lot of US defense and aero contractors have manufacturing partnerships around the world.
- colechristensen 3y ago> Isn't that most large capital intensive efforts? No. For example in university i was part of a satellite design competition. We couldn’t let Chinese nationals on the team or we’d be breaking the law. There was a list of approved countries a team member could have citizenship from, if not we’d be guilty of violating export controls.
- JCharante 3y agoI wonder, could an American join a satellite design competition team in a Chinese school?
- colechristensen 3y agoIf an American did the US State Department might want a word or two with them. Satellites are considered munitions… working on a foreign power’s weapons programs is… discouraged.
- SonicScrub 3y agoI can't speak for the other nations, but Space technology in Canada is controlled under the Controlled Goods Program (CGP). A CGP clearance is obtainable as a Permanent Resident. No citizenship required. Various Canadian companies are suppliers/partners for space projects in the US. For example the Artemis project is using the Canadian company MDA as a key supplier (to manufacture space robotic systems, including a newer version of the robotic arm currently on the ISS). SpaceX also has a number of Canadian suppliers, although their involvement is not advertised very much.
- colordrops 3y agoThe US is the same. You don't need to be a citizen to work an ITAR controlled job. A green card will suffice.
- emadehsan 3y agoI'm part of the rest of the 4 billion. The ones you mentioned only take their own citizens (probably except UAE).
- starik36 3y ago> except UAE I got bad news for you. Their spacecraft was built by University of Colorado at Boulder.
- enkid 3y agoThere's plenty of contractors working on space technology that would hire someone without citizenship, I'm sure.
- gduplessy 3y agoStrictly speaking for American contractors, I'm 99% sure that is not true. If you have any contract with the government for space stuff, all of your workers have to be citizens. I'm not even sure they'd let a permanent resident work there because of ITAR.
- Sanzig 3y agoPermanent residents are considered US persons under ITAR, so provided the company's activities are limited to civilian space projects it isn't an issue. However, if the company has defense contracts and requires employees to obtain a security clearance, that requires citizenship.
- abc_lisper 3y agoLol. Not even. What about Musk. He is not born in US
- georgeg23 3y agoElon supposedly got full U.S. citizenship after he made connections with the CIA (Michael D. Griffin) although the details aren't really known.
- boeingUH60 3y agoHe became a citizen by naturalization in 2002 (the same year he launched SpaceX), not some shadowy conspiracy.
- georgeg23 3y agoThose aren't mutually exclusive.
- gostsamo 3y agoI think that the UN had a program for facilitating smaller nations access to space. Currently, I'm finding only the outer space office there though. Alternatively, many of the private space companies don't have citizenship requirements.
- xoa 3y ago>Alternatively, many of the private space companies don't have citizenship requirements. In America at least private companies are equally covered by ITAR, so they do have citizenship/greencard requirements (or need a variance that is nearly never granted in practice). SpaceX can't just hire international talent as it wishes. I assume there may be similar rules in some other countries, though certainly not all. But it's not merely a matter of private vs public fwiw.
- the_third_wave 3y agoThere are? Japan (JAXA), India (ISRO), China (CNSA) and Russia (Roscosmos) all do science missions.
- placesalt 3y agoNot generally known, I think, but Canada is technically part of ESA. Not a full member, a 'Cooperating State', but there are some benefits. Wiki sez "Canadian firms can bid for and receive contracts to work on (ESA) programmes."
- oittaa 3y agoYeah, and a lot of people also think it's a "EU only" club, but other countries like Norway, Switzerland, and the UK are also members.
- h4ckerle 3y agoESA isn't even an EU Institution, the EU has its own space agency called EUSPA[1] [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Agency_for_the_Space_Programme#EU's_relationship_with_ESA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_Agency_for_the_...
- PlutoIsAPlanet 3y agoEUSPA isn't really a space agency. As the article says, EUSPA gets ESA to do the technical work.
- TheBigSalad 3y agoYour odds probably wouldn't be much better if you were an American.
- Robotbeat 3y agoNot really true. The industry has grown dramatically in the last 10 years and is hiring aggressively. There are budgetary ups and downs (both for privately funded stuff and NASA), but overall, if you are an American and are passionate about getting involved in the space industry, there are countless opportunities to do so.
- nytesky 3y agoVery true. Many space startups and NASA contractors always hiring. But aerospace famously pays peanuts (I think too many fanboys who just hear “space” and sign on dotted line)
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- TX81Z 3y agoDo we need an article about the trucking company that brought the telescope to the launch pad as well? Surely all freight carriers are due recognition? This headline makes it sounds like SpaceX is more that a freight carrier here, undoubtedly for clicks. Being a freight carrier to space is indeed very cool, and exciting, but they didn’t make the telescope.
- darknavi 3y agoIf does have some relevance: > Incidentally, Euclid was not supposed to launch aboard SpaceX at all. As late as February 2022, the mission was manifested upon an Arianespace Soyuz (provided by Russia) for a March 2023 launch in French Guiana. Russia's unsanctioned invasion of Ukraine forced a stop to most such space collaborations aside from the International Space Station, pushing Euclid's team to look for another ride to space.
- skybrian 3y agoWhy write about launches? We could wait until it starts gathering data because that’s what really matters, right? Given that it’s a rocket launch, crediting the company that did the launch makes some sense.
- the_third_wave 3y agoWhy not write about launches? It is not every day ESA launches a telescope to a Lagrange point after all.
- explaininjs 3y agoWhy write about when it starts collecting data? We could wait until actual worldview changing research results surface because that’s what really matters. The fact of the matter is worldview changing results will likely not ever surface, just as they didn’t from JWST. So instead press departments pretend all the steps along the way are important because it helps improve public sentiment for the financing of these “moonshots” (which hardly even deserve the name, we haven’t accomplished anything remotely like placing a man on the moon in decades).
- dylan604 3y agoI hate when I make the noob mistake of getting the timezone wrong and showing up an hour late like what I did today
- placesalt 3y agoI came across this the other day, it's pretty elegant and basically solves the problem. Comes in handy when you have eg a call with people in >2 timezones. https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converter.html
- Gehinnn 3y agoI can also recommend https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/ https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/ It's surprising how much ads all these tools show though.
- dylan604 3y agoyeah, sorry, i won't be visiting some website just to do timezone conversions. i'll just double check my work next time. to me, that's like the people that need to use GPS navigation to go to the same location they've been to more than once.
- oefnak 3y agoWell, navigation also shows you traffic information which is useful to choose the best path and to know at what time you will arrive.
- dylan604 3y agoyou can see the traffic with a quick glance at the map app before leaving, but that's a pretty weak excuse anyways. you and i both know that there are people that need those turn by turn directions for reasons.
- tromp 3y agoWhat about Euclid makes it more suitable for its task of mapping other galaxies than James Webb?
- gostsamo 3y agoJW observes single stars and similar objects, while this one is meant to take a wider view, aiming a big picture of the mass distribution in the universe. In the article it is mentioned that it is expected to map around a third of the sky in six years.
- nologic01 3y agoFingers crossed, if all goes well, we may have in a few years remarkable new insights that we haven't had in fundamental physics for quite some time. Vibes of the old COBE mission [1] that mapped for the first time the microwave background radiation and revolutionized cosmology. https://science.nasa.gov/missions/cobe https://science.nasa.gov/missions/cobe
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- freddealmeida 3y agono dark universe to map.
- tjbiddle 3y agoAnyone else feel as if the title and first few paragraphs give more credit to SpaceX rather than the Euclid team? SpaceX launches things all the time; I feel Euclid is the impressive bit here.
- ck2 3y agoYou are right. But it's also weird that rocket launches themselves into orbit become so common they are almost not news. I also start to wonder if anyone calculated or cared what the environment impact might to go from a few launches per year to a hundred or hundreds per year. I mean it's Florida and they are planning to pave radioactive road material so not exactly concerned about the future so feds have to be the grownups.
- JCharante 3y agoRegardless of the environmental impact, rocket launches are the most important thing humanity should be doing
- andsoitis 3y ago> give more credit to SpaceX rather than the Euclid team Credit for what? For launching or for doing the dark matter & energy research? While I think is appropriately and accurately attributed, I just don’t think it is relevant to the scientific story what rocket launched the apparatus. But I don’t know that space.com is the paragon of scientific reporting either.
- kortilla 3y agoThe Euclid team didn’t launch it. The article is about the launch. It mentions the crowds applauding on the ground at the launch, etc. If you don’t want to hear about spacex don’t read the articles mentioning the launches and wait for the ones about the satellite coming online.
- sbierwagen 3y agoAnnoying article. Lots of words without saying what precisely it's going to do and how it's better than previous efforts. Much more information (23 thousand words!) is on the ESA website here: https://www.eoportal.org/satellite-missions/euclid https://www.eoportal.org/satellite-missions/euclid Euclid is a deep sky survey space telescope. Like many space telescopes, it's designed to run cold (-140C) to extend viewing into infrared bands ground telescopes can't access. It's like a mini-Webb, orbiting next to it out at L2, but with one twenty fifth of the mirror area, and ten thousand pounds less mass. (Of course, it was also $9 billion cheaper...) Being a sky survey instrument, it has a wider field of view than Webb, half a square degree versus 0.0025 sq deg. It's something of a follow-on to ESA's Gaia astrometry space telescope, which surveyed the entire sky out to visual magnitude 20 and in 320–1000 nm light, while Euclid will specifically examine the 15,000 square degrees of the sky the Milky Way doesn't cover, out to magnitude 24.5 and in 550-2000 nm light. Both dimmer and more redshifted. (Fun trivia: both Gaia and Euclid are made entirely out of silicon carbide, including the optical bench and mirrors, which has become a ESA specialty.) For another comparison, the first Sloan sky survey (using a 2.5m ground based telescope much bigger than Euclid) took 5 years to image 8,000 square degrees down to magnitude 22.2 and only out to 893 nm. Again, Euclid can see objects dimmer and more redshifted. Unfortunately for ESA's press office, Euclid will not be producing a lot of pretty photos. It's a comparatively low resolution telescope designed specifically to look outside our galaxy (so no nebula photos) that only has three fairly broadband color filters on just one of the two instruments. (So none of the spectacular detail that some of Webb's narrowband filters can bring out) If it still has propellant after the first 6 year mission finishes then they might turn it around and image the Pillars of Creation but for the near future its fate is to transmit terabytes of photos of dim smudges for astronomers to do statistical analysis on.
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- danthewireman 3y agoPlease write more science articles/summaries. This is really well done—great combination of info-heavy while being interesting and readable.
- TooSmugToFail 3y agoDoes anyone have any information about the comms package of the Euclid. Getting that amount of data from L1 to Earth must be an interesting challenge.
- defrost 3y agoFor Euclid, the service module provides X and K band communications, with a K band science data rate of ~55 Mbit/s during the daily telecommanding and communications period of 4 hours. To store the large data volume that will be accumulated during observations, Euclid will have a mass memory of at least 2.6 Tbit. https://sci.esa.int/web/euclid/-/service-module https://sci.esa.int/web/euclid/-/service-module You can get more information by contacting the service module team. Thales Alenia Space in Spain has delivered the communications module for the Euclid satellite to Thales Alenia Space’s Turin plant, where it will be integrated with the service module. https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/space/press-release/thales-alenia-space-delivers-euclid-communications-module https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/space/press-release...
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- inamberclad 3y agoIf people want more technical details: http://amsdottorato.unibo.it/8437/7/fornari_federico_tesi.pdf http://amsdottorato.unibo.it/8437/7/fornari_federico_tesi.pd...