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Just wait until you see how many of us can't afford houses and will be destitute at 60

by thumbuddy 3y ago

segmondy 3y ago
marriage makes it possible for some that couldn't afford houses to be able to do so, by pooling resources together.
- tremon 3y ago
  So, what you're saying is that people marry for economic reasons rather than romantic? And when the romantic partnership fails, should people stay together in the economic partnership because they can't afford to split up? That's effectively what we've been doing for the past few decades. And the result is as shown in TFA: a generation of adults who will avoid marriage like the plague, because they've seen how toxic the results can be.
  - renewiltord 3y ago
    Or alternatively, economic conditions are so much better than before that those who would marry for that no longer need to.
    - _2z1p 3y ago
      How are economic conditions better now than they were a decade or two ago?
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      - tekla 3y ago
        Well 20 years ago was the dot com crash that wiped out an incredible amount of economic activity in the US. 2013 was still suffering from the after effects of the great recession that caused massive unemployment and a incredible increase in suffering. How are current economic conditions worse than two of the greatest crashes in US history? YoY inflation is drastically slowing and unemployment is at record lows. The economy is doing pretty goddamn amazingly right now
        WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
        > How are current economic conditions worse than two of the greatest crashes in US history? I'll present most of FL as an example. During those crashes, one could still subsist on 2 typical incomes. FF to today and basic expenses have skyrocketed; it takes 4 typical incomes to live tight. Worse is that expenses are still climbing fast. The economy may be spectacular for some folks but it pales against the expenses faced by most folks.
    - dredmorbius 3y ago
      From TFA: "Black 40-year-olds were much more likely to have never married than Hispanic, White and Asian 40-year-olds." My understanding is that economic conditions for Blacks are not significantly better than those of Whites and Asians, and are probably somewhat worse. Which suggests your hypothesis is not backed by data.
      - renewiltord 3y ago
        Yeah that's pretty good ngl
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  - pengaru 3y ago
    The proportion of dysfunctional miserable households I encountered as a kid during that phase where kids network a lot and visit homes/sleepovers was shocking. In one extreme instance the parents had divvied up the house with dad ending up in a quasi-finished basement like an unwanted old dog. If they ever crossed paths it was an instant war. Fortunately divorce has become much more acceptable since those days (this was in the 80s). Back then people would stay trapped in an unhealthy marriage 'til death do us part'.
- pengaru 3y ago
  > marriage makes it possible for some that couldn't afford houses to be able to do so, by pooling resources together. Marriage is not a requirement for pooling resources.
  - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
    > Marriage is not a requirement for pooling resources. A relationship matters if 1 bedroom housing is a necessary part of the plan.
    - pengaru 3y ago
      > A relationship matters if 1 bedroom housing is a necessary part of the plan. We're talking about marriage, which is a very specific thing with a legal definition.
      - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
        > We're talking about marriage, which is a very specific thing with a legal definition. The study is on marriage, true but the same trends are applying to couples in general - so the same conversation applies there as well. Given the likely causes, there doesn't seem to be a compelling reason to look at marriage in isolation. As paths to affordable cohabitation decline, relationships are declining right along with them.
- WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
  > marriage makes it possible for some that couldn't afford houses to be able to do so, by pooling resources together. For many decades, a couple could pool typical wages and meet their basic bills. What I'm see now is it takes 4 typical wages to stay housed, up from 3 last year. Based on the last few months, that hasn't leveled out yet.
- mock-possum 3y ago
  Well - actually you don’t need marriage for that. Anybody can choose to do that without marriage being involved.
mushbino 3y ago
But, on the bright side, social security and Medicare will be gone by then.
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Just wait until you see how many of us can't afford houses and will be destitute at 60

segmondy 3y ago

marriage makes it possible for some that couldn't afford houses to be able to do so, by pooling resources together.

tremon 3y ago
So, what you're saying is that people marry for economic reasons rather than romantic? And when the romantic partnership fails, should people stay together in the economic partnership because they can't afford to split up? That's effectively what we've been doing for the past few decades. And the result is as shown in TFA: a generation of adults who will avoid marriage like the plague, because they've seen how toxic the results can be.
- renewiltord 3y ago
  Or alternatively, economic conditions are so much better than before that those who would marry for that no longer need to.
  - _2z1p 3y ago
    How are economic conditions better now than they were a decade or two ago?
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    - tekla 3y ago
      Well 20 years ago was the dot com crash that wiped out an incredible amount of economic activity in the US. 2013 was still suffering from the after effects of the great recession that caused massive unemployment and a incredible increase in suffering. How are current economic conditions worse than two of the greatest crashes in US history? YoY inflation is drastically slowing and unemployment is at record lows. The economy is doing pretty goddamn amazingly right now
      - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
        > How are current economic conditions worse than two of the greatest crashes in US history? I'll present most of FL as an example. During those crashes, one could still subsist on 2 typical incomes. FF to today and basic expenses have skyrocketed; it takes 4 typical incomes to live tight. Worse is that expenses are still climbing fast. The economy may be spectacular for some folks but it pales against the expenses faced by most folks.
  - dredmorbius 3y ago
    From TFA: "Black 40-year-olds were much more likely to have never married than Hispanic, White and Asian 40-year-olds." My understanding is that economic conditions for Blacks are not significantly better than those of Whites and Asians, and are probably somewhat worse. Which suggests your hypothesis is not backed by data.
    - renewiltord 3y ago
      Yeah that's pretty good ngl
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- pengaru 3y ago
  The proportion of dysfunctional miserable households I encountered as a kid during that phase where kids network a lot and visit homes/sleepovers was shocking. In one extreme instance the parents had divvied up the house with dad ending up in a quasi-finished basement like an unwanted old dog. If they ever crossed paths it was an instant war. Fortunately divorce has become much more acceptable since those days (this was in the 80s). Back then people would stay trapped in an unhealthy marriage 'til death do us part'.
pengaru 3y ago
> marriage makes it possible for some that couldn't afford houses to be able to do so, by pooling resources together. Marriage is not a requirement for pooling resources.
- WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
  > Marriage is not a requirement for pooling resources. A relationship matters if 1 bedroom housing is a necessary part of the plan.
  - pengaru 3y ago
    > A relationship matters if 1 bedroom housing is a necessary part of the plan. We're talking about marriage, which is a very specific thing with a legal definition.
    - WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
      > We're talking about marriage, which is a very specific thing with a legal definition. The study is on marriage, true but the same trends are applying to couples in general - so the same conversation applies there as well. Given the likely causes, there doesn't seem to be a compelling reason to look at marriage in isolation. As paths to affordable cohabitation decline, relationships are declining right along with them.
WarOnPrivacy 3y ago
> marriage makes it possible for some that couldn't afford houses to be able to do so, by pooling resources together. For many decades, a couple could pool typical wages and meet their basic bills. What I'm see now is it takes 4 typical wages to stay housed, up from 3 last year. Based on the last few months, that hasn't leveled out yet.
mock-possum 3y ago
Well - actually you don’t need marriage for that. Anybody can choose to do that without marriage being involved.

mushbino 3y ago

But, on the bright side, social security and Medicare will be gone by then.

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