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The trend of less education means less marriage is interesting. I think that tells me the root cause is that 25% of 40 year olds are not financially attractive
by dougmwne 3y ago
The trend of less education means less marriage is interesting. I think that tells me the root cause is that 25% of 40 year olds are not financially attractive mates. I think this speaks to a broader trend of men not being able to meet the traditional expectations of the breadwinner in an increasingly precarious economy.
- InCityDreams 3y ago>25% of 40 year olds are not financially attractive mates. Is this a peculiarity of the US? Income was never an issue when i got the hots for someone...especially when things turned into long-term commitment. In fact, quite the opposite.
- onlyrealcuzzo 3y agoHaving the hots and marriage are totally different things for most people, I think.
- talldatethrow 3y agoYou're probably a man. Women care a lot about income.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoAnd status. Which income is a component of.
- amanaplanacanal 3y agoIn my experience, women care a lot about income when their partners can’t keep a job and they are the only ones working. I’ve seen relationships end over that. But I’m guessing that’s not what you mean.
- talldatethrow 3y agoThat's the most extreme example, sure. You don't see the other common examples, of a woman struggling to stay attracted to her bf or husband that consistently makes 1/2 of what she does.. because it doesn't happen very often (outside of extremes like very high earning women).
- wonderwonder 3y agoHow many times have you married that person you "had the hots for" assuming you are a woman?
- dougmwne 3y agoClass and income are extremely important when it comes to marriage. It’s more important for women because they are looking for stability and safety for raising kids. It’s less important for men because they are the ones expected to provide. It’s common relationship stress when the woman earns more than the man. Of course these are generalities, but they also fall out of the game theory of dating. For a woman, choosing a partner is extremely high risk as she will bear the children, will redirect energy away from her career to raise them, and will, most of the time, end up raising the children alone if the marriage breaks up. Men don’t really have any of those concerns because there’s not the same expectation they would raise the children on their own without help. I’ve known plenty of guys who ran out on the kids and zero women who left the kids with the guy.
- segmondy 3y agoless education? the US has never been more educated.
- xethos 3y agoYeah, the gender that values education in a mate has never before, on average, attained higher levels of education. But women value education in men, and men have fallen behind.
- cultofmetatron 3y ago> and men have fallen behind men have been pushed down by a culture that devalues masculine traits. k-8 is dominated by female teachers who don't know how to deal with male students and exhibit strong favoritism towards female students. Additionally, higher ed strongly favors reserving educational opportunities for female students. The end result is that boys that don't come from families that strongly push for education for them get left behind as the state would rather they be out of the picture entirely. men haven't fallen behind, Boys are being tripped and corralled into a rigged game and they are dropping out of the system
- CountSessine 3y agoI suspect that men are more likely to link education to income and opportunities - and the ROI for a lot of degrees has plummeted as tuition has increased. I don’t think women are as bothered by this and you can see this in the student loan data. 2/3 of distressed student loans in the US are owed by women.
- bacchusracine 3y ago>I don’t think women are as bothered by this and you can see this in the student loan data. 2/3 of distressed student loans in the US are owed by women. Fun fact. Student Loan Debts are considered marital property in community property states. So her debt is now our debt and may become your debt in a divorce.
- CountSessine 3y ago
- bluedino 3y agoMaybe it also has to do with the % of females that are desirable to marry?
- drumhead 3y agoMen dont really care about the income of their partner, they're more interested in physical attributes. Maybe women have set much higher standards and the majority of men dont meet those standards. Maybe men just dont want to get married?
- xhkkffbf 3y agoGoogle MGTOW to understand some people's theory.
- avhon1 3y agoMen Going Their Own Way? The internet ideology of people that have been redpilled to realize that society has been made toxic for men (by feminist women who use sex as a way to control men), and that men should reject rampant gynocentrism and avoid engaging with women, or even with society at large? That MGTOW?
- eska 3y agoYou’re just strawmanning. Not contributing to the discussion.
- lotsofpulp 3y agoSource? I can envision a decent proportion of men, at least myself and a few I know, who would find it preferable to have a redundant source of income in the household. Even if a woman ends up becoming a non income earning partner temporarily or permanently, having one who is capable of earning more can be a desirable trait for multiple reasons.
- bequanna 3y agoMobile so don’t have a source handy, but women typically seek to marry at or slightly above the economic class they were raised in. For men, there is no identified preference like this. Attributes like physical attractiveness and traditional positive feminine qualities are generally what men list as what they seek. Of course, we all know of exceptions but the general patterns of what men/women look for in a partner is quite well known at this point.
- mushbino 3y agothe opposite is true. The higher the education, the less likely to reproduce.
- hoppyhoppy2 3y agobut how strongly is reproduction correlated with marriage?