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Just import the PPZR Piorun instead. It is much more modern and more effective than the Stinger, for example with much better flare evasion. Stinger is from the
by H8crilA 3y ago
Just import the PPZR Piorun instead. It is much more modern and more effective than the Stinger, for example with much better flare evasion. Stinger is from the 70s.
- ceejayoz 3y agoThe Stinger's one part of a larger ecosystem, though. For example, they throw them on Humvees for a cheap, portable air defense system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/TWQ-1_Avenger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AN/TWQ-1_Avenger Pioruns probably aren't interchangable in these.
- H8crilA 3y agoNo, but Pioruns are also attached to cars and lightly armored vehicles. It's not that difficult to do :) The real answer is that the Stinger needs a long overdue modernisation.
- giantg2 3y agoThe real issue is politics and lobbying. It's extremely rare that the US would adopt foreign designs vs designing and building in-house. After all, we want to be the ones selling to the rest of the world.
- bluGill 3y agoWe also want the expertise to design and build in house in case politics change and we are no longer friends with whoever is making it
- vGPU 3y agoThe problem with scaling up manufacturing is that the US needs to manufacture here, now. What good is importing a polish missile when Wagner is so close to the factory that they can almost make it out if they squint? It’s not like Poland has a history of getting invaded or anything, right? Why could we possibly want to continue outsourcing our production to try to fix the problem that outsourcing production caused?
- H8crilA 3y agoSorry, I meant do technology transfer. Obviously manufacturing must be (also, or even primarily) in the US.
- Aloha 3y agoa technology transfer is only slightly lower risk than restarting production on an old design. You have about half of the issues - because I can all but guarantee - no matter how good the polish missile is, and no matter how modern their production methodology is, we're gonna probably need to build it differently here than it would be built in Poland. A good example is when the US started making Merlin Engines during WWII, it amounted to a near redesign.
- wbl 3y agoWell for one when you have a stockpile you don't need more production. Secondly when the first, second, and fourth biggest air forces in the world team up against a country that can't even suppress one of the smallest you don't need MANPADS if you're on their side.
- vGPU 3y agoAs pretty much all of Europe has learned, stockpiles go quick.
- ed_balls 3y agoIt seems a join venture it would work well. US needs a backup factory in case of natural disaster, Poland in case of a war.
- jandrewrogers 3y agoThe terminal guidance package on a modern Stinger is significantly more sophisticated than the Piorun, which uses a terminal guidance technology more in common with older Stinger variants. Modern Stingers use the same guidance package as the AIM-9X Sidewinder and have a dual mode IR/UV imager that is largely impervious to flares. There isn't anything more sophisticated on the market.
- greedo 3y agoStinger RMP-Block II which was to use the Sidewinder seeker was cancelled before any units were produced.