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I know US is much worse in violent crime, but you can’t fix problems by addressing its symptoms while overlooking their main cause. If UK is still running campa

by _v7gu 3y ago

I know US is much worse in violent crime, but you can’t fix problems by addressing its symptoms while overlooking their main cause. If UK is still running campaigns like “safe a life, bin that knife”, then maybe targeting guns was not the correct solution to the problem.

defrost 3y ago
Worth mentioning the USofA is much worse per capita than the UK after adjusting for population size differences. Uniform firearm regulations in the UK reduced the per capita post war firearm incidents, now similar campaigns are targeting knife crimes. It's a layered approach - anybody that believes there's a single solution would be foolish.
- _v7gu 3y ago
  Wow, no shit the gun ban reduced firearm crimes. By “layered approach” I suppose you mean this cycle: people commit crimes -> ban the most popular method -> crime displaces -> ban the most popular method. Continuously claim that you’re “doing something” by addressing symptoms and feel superior, while also completely ignoring root causes. Now that’s some McKinsey shit.
  - defrost 3y ago
    You've gone off on some bizarre tangent here. Forget guns, there are issues with poisons, explosives, driving cars, lasers, etc. Limiting access to any of these to those with substance abuse issues, domestic violence isues, repeated criminal propensity; requiring training in the basics to handle and deal provably reduce incidents while continuing use by those with a need. Do such things stop all incidents? No. Nothing is perfect but by your 'logic' seatbelts should be discarded, closely packed houses should not adhere to fire safety protocols, etc.
lost_tourist 3y ago
Clearly something is working, they have a much lower homicide rate than the US. I'm against gun bans, but I'm not going to act like the homicide rates are similar, the US is a (relative to other western nations, if that's our cut off) a very violent country.

by _v7gu 3y ago

defrost 3y ago

Worth mentioning the USofA is much worse per capita than the UK after adjusting for population size differences. Uniform firearm regulations in the UK reduced the per capita post war firearm incidents, now similar campaigns are targeting knife crimes. It's a layered approach - anybody that believes there's a single solution would be foolish.

_v7gu 3y ago
Wow, no shit the gun ban reduced firearm crimes. By “layered approach” I suppose you mean this cycle: people commit crimes -> ban the most popular method -> crime displaces -> ban the most popular method. Continuously claim that you’re “doing something” by addressing symptoms and feel superior, while also completely ignoring root causes. Now that’s some McKinsey shit.
- defrost 3y ago
  You've gone off on some bizarre tangent here. Forget guns, there are issues with poisons, explosives, driving cars, lasers, etc. Limiting access to any of these to those with substance abuse issues, domestic violence isues, repeated criminal propensity; requiring training in the basics to handle and deal provably reduce incidents while continuing use by those with a need. Do such things stop all incidents? No. Nothing is perfect but by your 'logic' seatbelts should be discarded, closely packed houses should not adhere to fire safety protocols, etc.

lost_tourist 3y ago

Clearly something is working, they have a much lower homicide rate than the US. I'm against gun bans, but I'm not going to act like the homicide rates are similar, the US is a (relative to other western nations, if that's our cut off) a very violent country.