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I’ll rephrase your argument for you: “Why don’t you listen to the rapist’s opinion? The victim is surely not blameless. Besides, your cousin is a shoplifter”.

by yks 3y ago

benjaminwootton 3y ago
Is this really the best response you could put forward in to people trying to make a nuanced point?
- CyberDildonics 3y ago
  Nuanced point? That person just said 'sure, putin is committing genocide and destroying an entire country, but we haven't heard his side of the story' Then they followed it up with the old hacker news chestnut of 'whatabout the west'
  - valval 3y ago
    Would his side of the story matter to you? I don’t think it’s a particularly nuanced point to you since you’ve already made up your mind, however ignorant it might be.
    - CyberDildonics 3y ago
      Putin already gave his side of the story. He declared Ukraine an invalid country, said there were nazis there and then went into full out war to destroy the country while committing countless atrocities. I don’t think it’s a particularly nuanced point to you What point and why do you keep saying 'nuance' over and over while giving zero actual information? What are you trying to say and what evidence is there? Let's think about this super hard. What is the justification for an unprovoked genocidal war? Why are you defending putin? however ignorant it might be. Show me where you get your information, lets see the source of this nonsense.
- yks 3y ago
  1. As already mentioned, it's hardly a nuanced point. 2. If you actually want to hear my opinion, then the realm of geopolitics + good old-fashioned hate of the US government does a number on people's logic, so we get what I can only charitably describe as a parade of non-sequiturs, whataboutisms and other fallacies. And so it can be useful to frame it in the simpler terms, for example you could hardly find anyone even on this site who would condone the forced takeover of parts of people's homes. Literally the same is happening on a scale of the countries.
  - oblio 3y ago
    Totally agreed. Make it about individuals where the analogy holds. It cuts right through the bullshit and frequently exposes a lot of hypocrisy, hate, self loathing, racism, etc.
- lisasays 3y ago
  It wasn't "nuanced" at all. Just muddled and obsequious.

I’ll rephrase your argument for you: “Why don’t you listen to the rapist’s opinion? The victim is surely not blameless. Besides, your cousin is a shoplifter”.

by yks 3y ago

I’ll rephrase your argument for you: “Why don’t you listen to the rapist’s opinion? The victim is surely not blameless. Besides, your cousin is a shoplifter”.

benjaminwootton 3y ago

Is this really the best response you could put forward in to people trying to make a nuanced point?

CyberDildonics 3y ago
Nuanced point? That person just said 'sure, putin is committing genocide and destroying an entire country, but we haven't heard his side of the story' Then they followed it up with the old hacker news chestnut of 'whatabout the west'
- valval 3y ago
  Would his side of the story matter to you? I don’t think it’s a particularly nuanced point to you since you’ve already made up your mind, however ignorant it might be.
  - CyberDildonics 3y ago
    Putin already gave his side of the story. He declared Ukraine an invalid country, said there were nazis there and then went into full out war to destroy the country while committing countless atrocities. I don’t think it’s a particularly nuanced point to you What point and why do you keep saying 'nuance' over and over while giving zero actual information? What are you trying to say and what evidence is there? Let's think about this super hard. What is the justification for an unprovoked genocidal war? Why are you defending putin? however ignorant it might be. Show me where you get your information, lets see the source of this nonsense.
yks 3y ago
1. As already mentioned, it's hardly a nuanced point. 2. If you actually want to hear my opinion, then the realm of geopolitics + good old-fashioned hate of the US government does a number on people's logic, so we get what I can only charitably describe as a parade of non-sequiturs, whataboutisms and other fallacies. And so it can be useful to frame it in the simpler terms, for example you could hardly find anyone even on this site who would condone the forced takeover of parts of people's homes. Literally the same is happening on a scale of the countries.
- oblio 3y ago
  Totally agreed. Make it about individuals where the analogy holds. It cuts right through the bullshit and frequently exposes a lot of hypocrisy, hate, self loathing, racism, etc.
lisasays 3y ago
It wasn't "nuanced" at all. Just muddled and obsequious.