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Australia doesn't have militarised police and school shootings don't happen in the first place. Also: every other country than the US.

smcl 3y ago
Yeah the UK had a shooting in Dunblane that shocked the country. Then, like Australia, something happened and somehow we didn’t have any more school shootings. If only we could pinpoint that something. Like if there was a lesson that could be learned from both of those cases, something the USA could take and apply to see a similar decline in such mass shootings …
- _v7gu 3y ago
  You guys now have things like “mass stabbings” and truck attacks. I don’t know how the numbers were effected, but the underlying issues still seem to exist. After all, it is not the guns that convince people to commit mass murders.
  - smcl 3y ago
    I don’t think you want to do a US vs UK comparison on violent crime. Hell the American police alone committed more homicides than there were in the UK last year.
    - _v7gu 3y ago
      I know US is much worse in violent crime, but you can’t fix problems by addressing its symptoms while overlooking their main cause. If UK is still running campaigns like “safe a life, bin that knife”, then maybe targeting guns was not the correct solution to the problem.
      - defrost 3y ago
        Worth mentioning the USofA is much worse per capita than the UK after adjusting for population size differences. Uniform firearm regulations in the UK reduced the per capita post war firearm incidents, now similar campaigns are targeting knife crimes. It's a layered approach - anybody that believes there's a single solution would be foolish.
        _v7gu 3y ago
        Wow, no shit the gun ban reduced firearm crimes. By “layered approach” I suppose you mean this cycle: people commit crimes -> ban the most popular method -> crime displaces -> ban the most popular method. Continuously claim that you’re “doing something” by addressing symptoms and feel superior, while also completely ignoring root causes. Now that’s some McKinsey shit.
        defrost 3y ago
        You've gone off on some bizarre tangent here. Forget guns, there are issues with poisons, explosives, driving cars, lasers, etc. Limiting access to any of these to those with substance abuse issues, domestic violence isues, repeated criminal propensity; requiring training in the basics to handle and deal provably reduce incidents while continuing use by those with a need. Do such things stop all incidents? No. Nothing is perfect but by your 'logic' seatbelts should be discarded, closely packed houses should not adhere to fire safety protocols, etc.
      - lost_tourist 3y ago
        Clearly something is working, they have a much lower homicide rate than the US. I'm against gun bans, but I'm not going to act like the homicide rates are similar, the US is a (relative to other western nations, if that's our cut off) a very violent country.
  - abenga 3y ago
    Compared to mass shootings, mass stabbings are not as serious, really. You would need dozens of people to stand meekly and watch a stabber work down the line to get the same number hurt that a person with an automatic gun can kill in a few seconds.
philwelch 3y ago
Like France for instance?

smcl 3y ago

Yeah the UK had a shooting in Dunblane that shocked the country. Then, like Australia, something happened and somehow we didn’t have any more school shootings. If only we could pinpoint that something. Like if there was a lesson that could be learned from both of those cases, something the USA could take and apply to see a similar decline in such mass shootings …

_v7gu 3y ago
You guys now have things like “mass stabbings” and truck attacks. I don’t know how the numbers were effected, but the underlying issues still seem to exist. After all, it is not the guns that convince people to commit mass murders.
- smcl 3y ago
  I don’t think you want to do a US vs UK comparison on violent crime. Hell the American police alone committed more homicides than there were in the UK last year.
  - _v7gu 3y ago
    I know US is much worse in violent crime, but you can’t fix problems by addressing its symptoms while overlooking their main cause. If UK is still running campaigns like “safe a life, bin that knife”, then maybe targeting guns was not the correct solution to the problem.
    - defrost 3y ago
      Worth mentioning the USofA is much worse per capita than the UK after adjusting for population size differences. Uniform firearm regulations in the UK reduced the per capita post war firearm incidents, now similar campaigns are targeting knife crimes. It's a layered approach - anybody that believes there's a single solution would be foolish.
      - _v7gu 3y ago
        Wow, no shit the gun ban reduced firearm crimes. By “layered approach” I suppose you mean this cycle: people commit crimes -> ban the most popular method -> crime displaces -> ban the most popular method. Continuously claim that you’re “doing something” by addressing symptoms and feel superior, while also completely ignoring root causes. Now that’s some McKinsey shit.
        defrost 3y ago
        You've gone off on some bizarre tangent here. Forget guns, there are issues with poisons, explosives, driving cars, lasers, etc. Limiting access to any of these to those with substance abuse issues, domestic violence isues, repeated criminal propensity; requiring training in the basics to handle and deal provably reduce incidents while continuing use by those with a need. Do such things stop all incidents? No. Nothing is perfect but by your 'logic' seatbelts should be discarded, closely packed houses should not adhere to fire safety protocols, etc.
    - lost_tourist 3y ago
      Clearly something is working, they have a much lower homicide rate than the US. I'm against gun bans, but I'm not going to act like the homicide rates are similar, the US is a (relative to other western nations, if that's our cut off) a very violent country.
- abenga 3y ago
  Compared to mass shootings, mass stabbings are not as serious, really. You would need dozens of people to stand meekly and watch a stabber work down the line to get the same number hurt that a person with an automatic gun can kill in a few seconds.

philwelch 3y ago

Like France for instance?