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Elon is making a point and a reminder for everyone that what you share on social nets like Twitter is basically not owned by you, but the service. Actually I’m
by larodi 3y ago
Elon is making a point and a reminder for everyone that what you share on social nets like Twitter is basically not owned by you, but the service.
Actually I’m surprised this took so long to do, and in the light of doing so shows that perhaps Twitter was sold for its existing content rather than existing or active user base.
- epidemian 3y ago> [...] perhaps Twitter was sold for its existing content rather than existing or active user base. Not a very significant distinction: if active users stopped posting, scrappers wouldn't have much of a reason to keep scrapping.
- Retric 3y agoMost AI startups don’t particularly care if content is 3 minutes old or 3 years.
- theteapot 3y agoYet.
- valval 3y agoThey absolutely do. What are you even saying?
- Retric 3y agoAI startups training data covers content going back years. DALLE for example was trained on hundreds of year old paintings alongside more modern works. Age may be included as part of the training but they generally want to suck up as much data as possible.
- astrange 3y agoIf you're adding new/marginal data you should want it to be as current as possible so it'll have things like trending slang terms.
- dist-epoch 3y ago> basically not owned by you, but the service. It's shared ownership. You own it, but give Twitter non-exclusive permission to also use it. This is why news agencies request permission from a twitter account before sharing a picture they took.
- xigoi 3y agoTwitter can delete the post without your consent, so you don't really own it.
- dist-epoch 3y agoOwnership is not the same with right to display. I can own a picture, but I can't place it on the NY Times website.
- jkaplowitz 3y agoYou consented to their being able to delete it when you agreed to their terms of service. It’s like if you hire someone to clean your home. Mostly they’re tidying up and dealing with dirt and dust, but if they see what looks like a used napkin lying somewhere, they will probably throw it out without first asking if you still want it - without that being stealing and without ever owning it themselves. It may seem weird weird to compare useful content to a used napkin, but hey, successful business founder stereotypes do quite often involve have an idea written on a napkin…
- xigoi 3y agoI didn't consent to anything, I don't have a Twitter account. I'm talking about people who do. And they often mistakenly think their content will stay on Twitter forever, so they don't need to back it up.
- jkaplowitz 3y agoFair enough. By “you consented … when you agreed”, I really meant “one consents … when one agrees”, as is common in informal English. Yes, it’s a mistake to rely on social media content remaining up forever, agreed. That’s separate from ownership. Backups are important even for data on a hard drive you physically own, since hard drives can fail or be damaged or lost.
- x3874 3y agoWas already the case for ICQ. (yes, it was in their ToS)
- tracerbulletx 3y agoIt's not though. They have a very permissive license but they don't have any actual IP ownership.