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If the police didn't rush over in full SWAT gear, ready to save the lives of children, they'd be the ones l̶i̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ berated in the media for not taking a cle

If the police didn't rush over in full SWAT gear, ready to save the lives of children, they'd be the ones l̶i̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ berated in the media for not taking a clear imminent threat to life seriously. Here in the UK the police would rush there without guns. There would be an armed response team to back them up, but only once the threat was confirmed. Maybe the UK just has braver police.

rm_-rf_slash 3y ago
>Maybe the UK just has braver police Bit of a smug take coming from a place with fewer guns than people.
- onion2k 3y ago
  I don't see what that's relevant. If the UK police respond to reports of a person with a gun without being armed themselves that's clearly braver that American police who respond to literally any report with enough military hardware as if they fear for their lives.
  - mschuster91 3y ago
    Because the likelihood of a police officer getting shot by a criminal is far higher. Not just in domestic violence situations, but also in everyday policing. An example: here in Germany even if you push hundreds of kg of cocaine you'll get six to eight years behind bars. Not worth shooting a police officer at a traffic stop over it. In the US? Decades behind bars at least, life if you're in a "three strikes" jurisdiction - that's a massive incentive to shoot the cop and attempt to escape when you got nothing to lose anyway.
    - CaptainZapp 3y ago
      Actually, being a cop is not even in the top 15 most dangerous jobs in the US[0]. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/deadliest-jobs-in-america-bls-2022-12?op=1&r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/deadliest-jobs-in-america-bl...
- lillecarl 3y ago
  With this logic: The US police is way braver, they have to be adrenaline fueled jackasses to dare do their job of killing citizens. With normal logic: If not everyone is at the mercy of eachother not popping heads for lolz we don't need to arm the police as heavily, and we can hire people that are good at deescalation rather than shooting back.
- lost_tourist 3y ago
  Not just fewer, a couple of orders of magnitude fewer guns (maybe more). Also a populous with more mental care for those who are in dangerous mental states.

rm_-rf_slash 3y ago

>Maybe the UK just has braver police Bit of a smug take coming from a place with fewer guns than people.

onion2k 3y ago
I don't see what that's relevant. If the UK police respond to reports of a person with a gun without being armed themselves that's clearly braver that American police who respond to literally any report with enough military hardware as if they fear for their lives.
- mschuster91 3y ago
  Because the likelihood of a police officer getting shot by a criminal is far higher. Not just in domestic violence situations, but also in everyday policing. An example: here in Germany even if you push hundreds of kg of cocaine you'll get six to eight years behind bars. Not worth shooting a police officer at a traffic stop over it. In the US? Decades behind bars at least, life if you're in a "three strikes" jurisdiction - that's a massive incentive to shoot the cop and attempt to escape when you got nothing to lose anyway.
  - CaptainZapp 3y ago
    Actually, being a cop is not even in the top 15 most dangerous jobs in the US[0]. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/deadliest-jobs-in-america-bls-2022-12?op=1&r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/deadliest-jobs-in-america-bl...
lillecarl 3y ago
With this logic: The US police is way braver, they have to be adrenaline fueled jackasses to dare do their job of killing citizens. With normal logic: If not everyone is at the mercy of eachother not popping heads for lolz we don't need to arm the police as heavily, and we can hire people that are good at deescalation rather than shooting back.
lost_tourist 3y ago
Not just fewer, a couple of orders of magnitude fewer guns (maybe more). Also a populous with more mental care for those who are in dangerous mental states.