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The problem with these Reddit alternatives is that just like 99% of Reddit, they're a complete waste of time. There's nothing of substance, no real community, a

The problem with these Reddit alternatives is that just like 99% of Reddit, they're a complete waste of time. There's nothing of substance, no real community, and no value add to anyone's life. I just opened lemmy.world and I don't see anything of substance, just posts talking about Lemmy and how Reddit is dead. For me personally to use any of these sites, it has to at a minimum be a place where one can learn and have stimulating conversation. Reddit was like that in 2008, and it stopped being that way when memes, marketers, and political correctness took over. HN is the only site of this style that I regularly frequent because the quality is relatively high. Without keeping a high quality bar, I don't see why anyone would care to use any of these sites unless there's enough of a differentiating factor, and I don't think fediverse is an attractive enough of a feature to attract any serious users long-term. I mean look at Mastodon - it peaked when Elon took over Twitter, but has just been in decline since then. I built my own HN/Reddit alternative [1] with the sole mission of retaining a high standard of quality. Will it work? Doubtful without at a minimum getting the ball rolling seeding it with content, and marketing is not my forte or interest. But in any case I hope we'll see more competitors trying to build a "better" Reddit than attempt to replicate the cespool that is Reddit (outside a few high quality niche subreddits), that persists not due to any superiority but simply just from network effects at this point. We don't need more of the same, we can do better. [1] https://zsync.xyz https://zsync.xyz

Ukv 3y ago
> I mean look at Mastodon - it peaked when Elon took over Twitter, but has just been in decline since then. It's probably reasonably expected to get a surge of new sign-ups when a competitor does something controversial, then drop back down to a more natural rate (but hopefully still higher than pre-surge). I don't think this on its own indicates failure. > I built my own HN/Reddit alternative [1] with the sole mission of retaining a high standard of quality. Will it work? At the risk of being snarky myself, I'd claim the mission is a failure right from user #1: https://i.imgur.com/57BhkkJ.png https://i.imgur.com/57BhkkJ.png - the quality standard of ad-hominem soapboxing is already near rock bottom.
- JSavageOne 3y ago
  > At the risk of being snarky myself Did you have an actual counter-argument? (article referenced in the image: https://jsavage.xyz/2022/09/30/debate-exposes-bigotry-of-wokeness/ https://jsavage.xyz/2022/09/30/debate-exposes-bigotry-of-wok...) You're kind of proving my point here. On Reddit this would get downvote censored with no one even attempting to come up with a coherent counterargumemt, just people using downvote as a disagree button, squashing out all unorthodox views, and breeding the hivemind.
  - Ukv 3y ago
    > Did you have an actual counter-argument? To the positions within the screenshots ("the Matrix" targeting Andrew Tate, "woke bullshit", etc.), or the discussion here on whether your site has/will retain a "high standard of quality" in its discussion? The latter was what I'm commenting on, by implying that the site's owner posting a ragebait bias-affirming Youtube video followed by a comment repeatedly calling the other side "idiots" is already a very low bar. > no one even attempting to come up with a coherent counterargumemt I wouldn't be opposed to a debate on one of the former if there's something concrete to argue against, but I don't think debating the former is necessary for the latter point (people against trans women in women's sports can still see that this in particular is low-quality discussion) and here probably isn't the place to do so.
    - JSavageOne 3y ago
      I actually didn't see you'd referenced the Andrew Tate article as well in your image (full article: https://jsavage.xyz/2022/09/28/why-we-need-andrew-tate/ https://jsavage.xyz/2022/09/28/why-we-need-andrew-tate/) I was referring to this statement you'd made: "I'd claim the mission is a failure right from user #1: https://i.imgur.com/57BhkkJ.png https://i.imgur.com/57BhkkJ.png - the quality standard of ad-hominem soapboxing is already near rock bottom." You seem to be claiming that the quality is low, so I was wondering if you had any specific counter-arguments to anything stated in those two comments/articles you referenced in your image. Or did you just want to criticize the 1,800 word and 540 word articles because you found the language not to your taste? Personally I'm more interested in the content of one's arguments rather than simply the presentation, but to each their own.

Ukv 3y ago

> I mean look at Mastodon - it peaked when Elon took over Twitter, but has just been in decline since then. It's probably reasonably expected to get a surge of new sign-ups when a competitor does something controversial, then drop back down to a more natural rate (but hopefully still higher than pre-surge). I don't think this on its own indicates failure. > I built my own HN/Reddit alternative [1] with the sole mission of retaining a high standard of quality. Will it work? At the risk of being snarky myself, I'd claim the mission is a failure right from user #1: https://i.imgur.com/57BhkkJ.png https://i.imgur.com/57BhkkJ.png - the quality standard of ad-hominem soapboxing is already near rock bottom.

JSavageOne 3y ago
> At the risk of being snarky myself Did you have an actual counter-argument? (article referenced in the image: https://jsavage.xyz/2022/09/30/debate-exposes-bigotry-of-wokeness/ https://jsavage.xyz/2022/09/30/debate-exposes-bigotry-of-wok...) You're kind of proving my point here. On Reddit this would get downvote censored with no one even attempting to come up with a coherent counterargumemt, just people using downvote as a disagree button, squashing out all unorthodox views, and breeding the hivemind.
- Ukv 3y ago
  > Did you have an actual counter-argument? To the positions within the screenshots ("the Matrix" targeting Andrew Tate, "woke bullshit", etc.), or the discussion here on whether your site has/will retain a "high standard of quality" in its discussion? The latter was what I'm commenting on, by implying that the site's owner posting a ragebait bias-affirming Youtube video followed by a comment repeatedly calling the other side "idiots" is already a very low bar. > no one even attempting to come up with a coherent counterargumemt I wouldn't be opposed to a debate on one of the former if there's something concrete to argue against, but I don't think debating the former is necessary for the latter point (people against trans women in women's sports can still see that this in particular is low-quality discussion) and here probably isn't the place to do so.
  - JSavageOne 3y ago
    I actually didn't see you'd referenced the Andrew Tate article as well in your image (full article: https://jsavage.xyz/2022/09/28/why-we-need-andrew-tate/ https://jsavage.xyz/2022/09/28/why-we-need-andrew-tate/) I was referring to this statement you'd made: "I'd claim the mission is a failure right from user #1: https://i.imgur.com/57BhkkJ.png https://i.imgur.com/57BhkkJ.png - the quality standard of ad-hominem soapboxing is already near rock bottom." You seem to be claiming that the quality is low, so I was wondering if you had any specific counter-arguments to anything stated in those two comments/articles you referenced in your image. Or did you just want to criticize the 1,800 word and 540 word articles because you found the language not to your taste? Personally I'm more interested in the content of one's arguments rather than simply the presentation, but to each their own.