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I appreciate that attitude and value it myself, but I like to point out that it is not without risk. If the world around HN (including its community) changes,
by weinzierl 3y ago
I appreciate that attitude and value it myself, but I like to point out that it is not without risk.
If the world around HN (including its community) changes, stasis can damage or kill it as well.
Specifically regarding the issue of the original posting:
- HN is already an important data source for large language model training. [1]
- To the best of my knowledge there is no freely downloadable and current data dump of HN. [2]
- The HN-API does not offer all the data that scraping can get. For example, if a post had ever hit the front page or the highest front page position reached, is an interesting data point that is missing.
- The Algolia-HN-API has the same limitations.
In my opinion this will lead to increased usage of the API and increased scraping which all costs money. HN might be forced to find a solution for this.
[1] For example, the RefinedWeb paper lists HN as one of only 12 websites that were excluded. From what I understand, it was excluded because it went into the final dataset unvetted. RefinedWeb was used for the Falcon model.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2306.01116.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/2306.01116.pdf
[2] The closest thing is probably the Google BigQuery "bigquery-public-data.hacker_news" dataset.
It claims to be updated daily, but really is from late September 2022. Also I could not find the download link which other data sets offered on BigQuery have. Does anyone know if I can download the complete thing anyhow?
https://console.cloud.google.com/bigquery?p=bigquery-public-data&d=hacker_news&page=dataset&project=hacker-news-314218&ws=!1m4!1m3!3m2!1sbigquery-public-data!2shacker_news https://console.cloud.google.com/bigquery?p=bigquery-public-...
- qingcharles 3y agoI don't expect HN give a fuck about the scraping. It's pure HTML, no images, probably cached all to hell for users who aren't logged in anyway. The one thing I see as a future issue is that people are starting to post comments that clearly look like they were manufactured by ChatGPT and friends. Or that could just be the way some people talk and I've spent too long with ChatGPT now and start to smell it everywhere.
- dredmorbius 3y agoHN does have performance / capacity issues, and you'll find that if you're crawling the site rapidly, you'll quickly have your IP banned. I've had that happen even under manual browsing (when logged out). My front-page analytics project hit that limit quickly (within about 30 requests, probably less). Adding in a reasonable delay got around that. Keep in mind that a lot of Web infrastructure tends over time to operate just at the edge of stability, as capacity costs money.
- j5155 3y agoI mean, given that AI might be trained on HN, maybe it’s ChatGPT saying things that sound like HN commenters…