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Sorry for tearing into you here, but I'm so tired of this cynical trope that gets repeated ad nauseum on HN in defence of any dark pattern at all. It's a lazy,
by mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
Sorry for tearing into you here, but I'm so tired of this cynical trope that gets repeated ad nauseum on HN in defence of any dark pattern at all.
It's a lazy, low effort, stereotyping take that people in tech tell themselves to feel less guilty, and that's all it is.
- charcircuit 3y ago>It's a lazy, low effort, stereotyping take So is the take that average people think that facts about the current air quality should be owned by people. If you ask an average person what's the current temperature is or if it's raining outside they will likely tell you if they know. People don't feel a need to try and monopolize the knowledge of things like that.
- Spivak 3y agoIn fact if there's somewhere I can contribute my air quality data I would like to. I have self-hosted sensors which feed data to my own monitoring software but now that you say it like that I want to put it to use.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y agoI'm quite wary of talking about "average people" in general, at least without specifying what exactly is average about them, and having concrete data on where that average lies. Also, when asking people, framing is a huge confounder. If you ask a bunch of people of average or below average tech literacy if they care whether they own the data from their fitness trackers, the majority would probably say no. But if instead you asked them whether they like the fact that they have to pay a monthly subscription fee to Google/Oura/whatever, the distribution would likely change quite a lot. We of course know these questions are secretly the same question.
- account-5 3y agoIt's also true as well. If it's low friction and easy to use your average person doesn't care and isn't aware of T&C's. And even when made aware don't care either.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y agoAverage how?
- account-5 3y agoExactly how it means. Your average consumer of smart or internet connected devices.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y agoAgain, average in what metric? Almost no one is just average in general. That's not even well defined. You defined a superset(consumer of smart devices), but you're still missing a metric. Is it average IQ? Tech literacy? Legal expertise? Paranoia? Without specifying these things, you are essentially saying nothing all. Does not compile.
- account-5 3y agoThe average consumer of smart devices is exactly that, that is the metric. Tacking on further metrics buy which to divid a group is a never ending game. How much specificity do you actually want? Shall we take in a person's DNA? How many electrons are in their body? What timescale shall we set. Without generalisation, or being able to group things together you'll find it hard to make any statements about anything.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y agoI've never seen anyone so determined not to properly define their own statements. Oh well, have fun.
- account-5 3y agoSimilarly I've never seen anyone so determined to add requirements/move the goal posts.
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