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2200$ for a phone, which has wanky software support at its best. Come on, this is getting ridiculous. Phosh is nowhere stable, and these claims cannot be true

2200$ for a phone, which has wanky software support at its best. Come on, this is getting ridiculous. Phosh is nowhere stable, and these claims cannot be true with an 8 year old SoC from NXP. I get that made in USA is your brand and whatnot, but people expect a phone to be able to run google maps in the browser, and whatsapp, and instagram in parallel. If it turns off and reboots while doing that because it runs out of memory, you cannot claim it's a smartphone. Even the nokia 3310 generation phones could do that with WAP internet access and GPRS. Now it's more than 20 years later and people's expectations are way higher than back then. How many do you think will recommend a librem phone if your focus is now another not really supported platform instead of improving the software than runs it? If software is your problem (which I think it is) make it fundable directly. Allow people to support the software development directly, and start a foundation for that. But this 2200$ price tag when a competitor's product has more than 10x the featureset for half the price...there's a limit of what people can take.

Shawnj2 3y ago
The main market for this would realistically the US government or government contractors if the US made some sort of rule requiring the government and contractors to use these types of phones
- Gigachad 3y ago
  So the market doesn't even exist, but might exist if the government creates some hypothetical regulation which has no evidence will ever happen. The iphone is likely 1000x more secure than this phone and a much better choice for government workers.
seba_dos1 3y ago
I don't know why would I want to use Google Maps in a browser when there's Pure Maps, but I just tried and I can use it just fine on the base Librem 5 model with 3GB RAM. I also have several games installed on it, including even some Android games that work fine, so I don't get what you're talking about at all. Also, Nokia 3310 had no WAP and no GPRS. The next model, Nokia 3410, had WAP over CSD but no GPRS, and certainly wasn't suitable for anything like Google Maps which did not even exist back then. [edit] The parent has moved the goalposts quite far in a sneaky edit, but even the edited claims are pretty unreasonable. Of course there was IM running in the background and there was still plenty of free RAM left for something more, and no, "Nokia 3310 generation phones" couldn't do anything like that for at least a few more years :)
- cookiengineer 3y ago
  So you're honestly trying to tell me that a librem phone has the same feature set as say, an iphone in comparison? Same websites, same performance, same responsiveness, same app interactions, same bluetooth/hardware compatibility support? ...without having to use the terminal, ever? Really? Is this a joke or something? How many _minutes_ do you wait until google maps is loaded, and are still satisfied with it? My experience with the librem phone has been _way worse_ than yours, apparently. [edit] Nevermind, of course you are working for purism. [/edit]
  - seba_dos1 3y ago
    > So you're honestly trying to tell me that a librem phone has the same feature set as say, an iphone in comparison? Haven't said anything close to that and I certainly wouldn't because it's not true. However, personally I'm not very interested in iPhone's feature set, while I'm very interested in things that Librem 5 can offer that iPhone can't. The terminal is a feature I cherish rather than be afraid of. > How many _minutes_ do you wait until google maps is loaded Zero. Five seconds, to be exact. I also tried it inside an Android container, so pretty much having two complete operating systems running at the same time. Interestingly, it was faster by one second there:)
footlose_3815 3y ago
I was interested until I saw the price

Shawnj2 3y ago

The main market for this would realistically the US government or government contractors if the US made some sort of rule requiring the government and contractors to use these types of phones

Gigachad 3y ago
So the market doesn't even exist, but might exist if the government creates some hypothetical regulation which has no evidence will ever happen. The iphone is likely 1000x more secure than this phone and a much better choice for government workers.

seba_dos1 3y ago

I don't know why would I want to use Google Maps in a browser when there's Pure Maps, but I just tried and I can use it just fine on the base Librem 5 model with 3GB RAM. I also have several games installed on it, including even some Android games that work fine, so I don't get what you're talking about at all. Also, Nokia 3310 had no WAP and no GPRS. The next model, Nokia 3410, had WAP over CSD but no GPRS, and certainly wasn't suitable for anything like Google Maps which did not even exist back then. [edit] The parent has moved the goalposts quite far in a sneaky edit, but even the edited claims are pretty unreasonable. Of course there was IM running in the background and there was still plenty of free RAM left for something more, and no, "Nokia 3310 generation phones" couldn't do anything like that for at least a few more years :)

cookiengineer 3y ago
So you're honestly trying to tell me that a librem phone has the same feature set as say, an iphone in comparison? Same websites, same performance, same responsiveness, same app interactions, same bluetooth/hardware compatibility support? ...without having to use the terminal, ever? Really? Is this a joke or something? How many _minutes_ do you wait until google maps is loaded, and are still satisfied with it? My experience with the librem phone has been _way worse_ than yours, apparently. [edit] Nevermind, of course you are working for purism. [/edit]
- seba_dos1 3y ago
  > So you're honestly trying to tell me that a librem phone has the same feature set as say, an iphone in comparison? Haven't said anything close to that and I certainly wouldn't because it's not true. However, personally I'm not very interested in iPhone's feature set, while I'm very interested in things that Librem 5 can offer that iPhone can't. The terminal is a feature I cherish rather than be afraid of. > How many _minutes_ do you wait until google maps is loaded Zero. Five seconds, to be exact. I also tried it inside an Android container, so pretty much having two complete operating systems running at the same time. Interestingly, it was faster by one second there:)

footlose_3815 3y ago

I was interested until I saw the price