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Lemmy.ml's admin is pro chinese government and actively censors comments that are critical. What that means to you is your decision, but I want to make people a

by m4jor 3y ago

Lemmy.ml's admin is pro chinese government and actively censors comments that are critical. What that means to you is your decision, but I want to make people aware before the mass migration date arrives. https://old.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/14k67qt/lemmymls_admin_is_pro_chinese_government_and/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/comments/14k67qt/l... Highly sus

BobbyBrownGD 3y ago
Lemmy's team is very politicized, but even then it took significant pushback to change their minds about an issue that the community was decrying for reasons that were almost entirely technical. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622 I would not bed with these fellows myself.
- dangus 3y ago
  It bothers me a little bit that having a strong stance against intolerance is seen as being “politicized.” That should just be normal and expected behavior. Maybe they were abrasive in initially fighting the request to make technical changes to the slur filter, but hey when you ask for free enhancements to open source code you either do the work and provide a pull request or be prepared to be told no. I empathize with their concern about becoming another Voat or Gab. They want federation but they don’t want a Wild West.
  - cycomanic 3y ago
    The problem is that the stance is incredibly shortsighted and in a way bigoted itself. Take a word filter that contains some regex for n**a. They are saying you should never use slurs and this word in particular in public discourse. So the word above word is used in lyrics of a music genre with predominantly black musicians. In addition to saying we don't want our software to be used by racists, they also say "we don't want our Software to be used to discuss certain kinds of black music" (arguably a racist stance just by itself). Talk about unintended side effects.
    - toofy 3y ago
      yes, this is one of the trade offs of any system built where one must decide between human moderation/curation vs automating moderation/curation. if automation is chosen there will absolutely be situations where perfection is impossible. if human’s unparalleled ability to see nuance is chosen then the cost scales along with the amount of information. the fact is, if we want a community and we want to keep signal above noise, we will need some form of removal of spam, child porn, racism, etc… automatic tools can’t nuance as well as humans. then human mods start nuancing and someone will point at stuff and call it biased.
  - gaius_baltar 3y ago
    > It bothers me a little bit that having a strong stance against intolerance is seen as being “politicized.” That should just be normal and expected behavior. It did not seem to me a politicized discussion but a technical issue with filtering using hardcoded blacklists that are just too prone to the Scunthorpe Problem. Perhaps because too many people in the USA despise the mere existence of other languages :)
    - dangus 3y ago
      I think we have to remember that this isn’t a commercial product, it’s a small project. They had a quick and dirty solution and weren’t willing to abandon it but also weren’t initially willing to put in the time to make a more robust solution.
dangus 3y ago
Isn’t that just one instance? You don’t have to join that one.
- xigoi 3y ago
  It's the official instance, so it has a privileged position.
  - dangus 3y ago
    What privileges specifically? Are you forced to join it?
    - xigoi 3y ago
      It is what people will probably view first when they find out about Lemmy, so it has the most attention.
      - dangus 3y ago
        This seems to be inaccurate. When I go to join-lemmy.org, and click join a server, the first servers on the list are at least semi-randomized recommended servers. Every time you refresh the page the selections change. As far as the “popular” list, which is placed below the recommended list, lemmy.ml doesn’t have any special privileges there. It just happens to be the most popular. If something becomes more popular it will go on the top.
deciplex 3y ago
wow an explicitly marxist-leninist instance supports an explicitly marxist-leninist state? who would have thought

by m4jor 3y ago

BobbyBrownGD 3y ago

Lemmy's team is very politicized, but even then it took significant pushback to change their minds about an issue that the community was decrying for reasons that were almost entirely technical. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622 I would not bed with these fellows myself.

dangus 3y ago
It bothers me a little bit that having a strong stance against intolerance is seen as being “politicized.” That should just be normal and expected behavior. Maybe they were abrasive in initially fighting the request to make technical changes to the slur filter, but hey when you ask for free enhancements to open source code you either do the work and provide a pull request or be prepared to be told no. I empathize with their concern about becoming another Voat or Gab. They want federation but they don’t want a Wild West.
- cycomanic 3y ago
  The problem is that the stance is incredibly shortsighted and in a way bigoted itself. Take a word filter that contains some regex for n**a. They are saying you should never use slurs and this word in particular in public discourse. So the word above word is used in lyrics of a music genre with predominantly black musicians. In addition to saying we don't want our software to be used by racists, they also say "we don't want our Software to be used to discuss certain kinds of black music" (arguably a racist stance just by itself). Talk about unintended side effects.
  - toofy 3y ago
    yes, this is one of the trade offs of any system built where one must decide between human moderation/curation vs automating moderation/curation. if automation is chosen there will absolutely be situations where perfection is impossible. if human’s unparalleled ability to see nuance is chosen then the cost scales along with the amount of information. the fact is, if we want a community and we want to keep signal above noise, we will need some form of removal of spam, child porn, racism, etc… automatic tools can’t nuance as well as humans. then human mods start nuancing and someone will point at stuff and call it biased.
- gaius_baltar 3y ago
  > It bothers me a little bit that having a strong stance against intolerance is seen as being “politicized.” That should just be normal and expected behavior. It did not seem to me a politicized discussion but a technical issue with filtering using hardcoded blacklists that are just too prone to the Scunthorpe Problem. Perhaps because too many people in the USA despise the mere existence of other languages :)
  - dangus 3y ago
    I think we have to remember that this isn’t a commercial product, it’s a small project. They had a quick and dirty solution and weren’t willing to abandon it but also weren’t initially willing to put in the time to make a more robust solution.

dangus 3y ago

Isn’t that just one instance? You don’t have to join that one.

xigoi 3y ago
It's the official instance, so it has a privileged position.
- dangus 3y ago
  What privileges specifically? Are you forced to join it?
  - xigoi 3y ago
    It is what people will probably view first when they find out about Lemmy, so it has the most attention.
    - dangus 3y ago
      This seems to be inaccurate. When I go to join-lemmy.org, and click join a server, the first servers on the list are at least semi-randomized recommended servers. Every time you refresh the page the selections change. As far as the “popular” list, which is placed below the recommended list, lemmy.ml doesn’t have any special privileges there. It just happens to be the most popular. If something becomes more popular it will go on the top.

deciplex 3y ago

wow an explicitly marxist-leninist instance supports an explicitly marxist-leninist state? who would have thought