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Shevardnadze says multiple times that NATO expansion was never discussed, no matter what angle the journalists used to ask about it. >> SPIEGEL ONLINE: Was the
by chrysler 3y ago
Shevardnadze says multiple times that NATO expansion was never discussed, no matter what angle the journalists used to ask about it.
>> SPIEGEL ONLINE: Was the eastward expansion of NATO ever discussed in the inner circles of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in 1990?
>> Shevardnadze: The question never came up.
>> SPIEGEL ONLINE: Nevertheless, the eastward expansion happened a few years later. Did you feel, at the time, that the German diplomats deceived you?
>> Shevardnadze: No. When I was the minister of foreign affairs in the Soviet Union, NATO's expansion beyond the German borders never came up for negotiation. To this day I don't see anything terrible in NATO's expansion.
Couldn't be more clear.
There's not a single Soviet representative who has said that yes, we had an agreement, and that it was violated. No paper trail of any kind either (discussion papers, meeting notes, personal diaries). It's a made up story.
- avgcorrection 3y agoImpressively mono-topical HN account that you’ve made. By the way.
- avgcorrection 3y agoOh sure. Except I also quoted the same person who definitely confirmed that: > An expansion of NATO beyond Germany's borders was out of the question. From your own link. I don’t know what the hell he meant by “not came up for negotation”. Someone could tell me that I will definitely get five hot dogs for lunch and then I can later say that it “never came up for negotation” since I never cared about hot dogs to begin with. (What do I care whether he personally cared about Nato expansion or not? That’s irrelevant!) Dead politicians. You’re just mincing words (“agreement”) at this point, which I have already addressed.
- chrysler 3y ago>> I don’t know what the hell he meant by “not came up for negotation”. Thankfully he clarifies that by saying "the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact was beyond our realm of comprehension". The USSR was hosting elite divisions and nuclear weapons in Poland at the time and didn't expect anything to change, what was there to discuss or negotiate? The main question that came up was whether Americans would roll their tanks up to Polish border after German reunification, THAT is the "eastward expansion" they discussed.
- avgcorrection 3y agoWell thank you for proving my point. So far no-one have disproved the fact that Westerns were talking at the Soviets about non-expansion. Which was my claim. That this Georgian didn’t care about it because he didn’t see any threat of expansion is irrelevant. Thanks.