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This killed nitter. Fuck. I guess I'm done with Twitter. Reddit is in Eternal September. Twitter is login-walled. If HN is next, I'll probably be mostly done

• drk-thr 3y ago
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• j-bos 3y ago
  I feel the same. Had 4 twitter accounts I followed on nitter after losing my account, and now, not sure. Feels like a time of (light) mourning.
  • tourmalinetaco 3y ago
    I had JUST started using Nitter’s RSS feeds. And it was so comfy avoiding all of the “algorithm” too.
• montenegrohugo 3y ago
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• darknavi 3y ago
  It's extremely rough around the edges but getting into fediverse content (mastodon, kbin, lemmy, etc) has been extremely rewarding to me. It's like twitter and reddit but 15 years ago (and by that I mostly mean it's janky and full of bugs. Just like the web was 15 years ago!)
  • seanthemon 3y ago
    I tried it but I just can't get into the flow of things, it doesn't feel like a lot happens during the day, but maybe i'm on the wrong server? I just want to expel my bowels and doom scroll bad funny memes
    • zulban 3y ago
      Maybe if nothing is happening then nothing is happening and you should do something else ;)
    • thinkmassive 3y ago
      Maybe try bluesky
      • FridgeSeal 3y ago
        The vaguely detailed, unclear, NIH’d corporate rip-off version that already has privacy concerns (public block list issue) that’s even less developed?
    • rchaud 3y ago
      > it doesn't feel like a lot happens during the day, but maybe i'm on the wrong server? We are oriented to think that way after ~15 years of the algorithmic engagement-maxi world of Twitter. It always looks like there's a lot happening all the time but look deeper and it's a bunch of people offering their weak takes on hot topics to build their brand. What was the last thing you remember being must-see sfuff on Twitter?
      • seanthemon 3y ago
        My vice was reddit, I could spend a lot of time on different subreddits for different topics and usually always find something new. But I do agree with you, being away from the noise has been really freeing for my mind
      • bandyaboot 3y ago
        > What was the last thing you remember being must-see sfuff on Twitter? The Russia circus last weekend made for some pretty good near real-time intrigue. That being said, I don’t care what crazy thing is happening…I’m not creating an account to hear what’s being said on “The Global Town Square ™”
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  • YetAnotherNick 3y ago
    How does fediverse intend to pay for server/developer cost? For new technologies many smart people work for free as long as it excites them and when it just comes to maintenance and fixing bugs it wouldn't be cheap for any technology with so many moving parts. Also, early adopters donate with much higher probability than when the masses arrive.
    • pierat 3y ago
      I pay $10 a month to my masto instance. They do a superb job. Is that the best way? No clue. But I'm glad to chip in.
    • kibwen 3y ago
      Coming of age in the late 90s/early 00s we had plenty of forums to choose from, hosted by hobbyists, with nary a monetization scheme in sight. And this was in the era when the tech was far less accessible and the hardware far more expensive. Sure, maybe a modern $5/month VPS running basic forum software isn't going to handle 100,000,000 active users, but it sure will handle 10,000 active users, and that's more than enough to have a healthy community. (Note: I'm of the opinion that fediverse-style federation in the context of forums is merely a nice-to-have; the web is already naturally federated, and people should not feel bad if they want to save money/tech complexity/administration complexity by settling for ordinary self-hosted forums.)
      • YetAnotherNick 3y ago
        You are off by 2 orders of magnitude. Plans for 10k active users on managed instance generally seems to be in the range of $250-450[1][2]. [1]: https://toot.io/pricing.html https://toot.io/pricing.html [2]: https://masto.host/pricing/ https://masto.host/pricing/
        • kibwen 3y ago
          This is specifically why I call out the federated model as a nice-to-have, not a requirement. ActivityPub is way, way more demanding of CPU and transfer than a simple forum, and as a result it's extremely difficult to self-host at scale. You can easily service 10,000 daily active users on a VPS serving lean, statically-rendered forum pages.
  • Terr_ 3y ago
    For me the main barrier is that I want to have portable/roaming control over my IDENTITY, even if the content hosting is (for now) entirely through a system administered by someone else. If I control the identity, I can at least keep local copies and rehost/repost content later. Instead, it feels like the current Fediverse demands that I make a blind choice to entrust not merely a copy of my content but also my whole future identity to whatever of these current instances looks the most stable/trustworthy at first glance, hoping my choice will be good for 1-5-10-15 years. It's stressful, and then I look into self-hosting, and then I put the whole thing off for another week... AFAICT I would need to set up a whole federated node of my own in order to get that level of identity-control. Serious question: Is there any technical limitation preventing the admin of an instance from just seizing an particular account and permanently impersonating the original owner? In contrast, I was hoping/expecting some kind of identity backed by a private asymmetric key. Even if signing every single message would be impractical, one could at least use it to prove "The person bob@banana.instance has the same private key that was used to initialize bob@apple.instance."
    • twicetwice 3y ago
      This is basically the entire point of the Authenticated Transfer Protocol (AT Protocol), which powers Bluesky. I think it does a ton of stuff right, including portable identity backed by solid cryptography (no blockchain or "crypto"!) and has a lot of promise. It's still in development, but I am hopeful that it will live up to its promise.
      • gcr 3y ago
        can't a malicious bluesky admin steal/MITM users' private keys by messing with whatever frontend javascript users interact with?
        • Retr0id 3y ago
          In theory, kinda, but you can bring-your-own client, and "the" web client is decoupled from the back-end instance. "bsky.app" works as a web client for the official "bsky.social" instance, but it also works with the instance I self-host (or any other spec-compliant instance). Likewise, 3rd party clients work with the official instance, and also with 3rd party instances. However, no key-stealing could possibly happen right now in any case because... the PDS ("instance") holds your signing key - the client never even sees it. Having the server hold your signing keys is very user-friendly, but of course not ideal for security and identity self-sovereignty. In general, the security model involves trusting your PDS (just as you trust your mastodon instance admin, or twitter dot com - the improvements are centered around making it easier to jump ship if you change your mind). Client-signed posting is something that's not even possible right now, but I believe it's somewhere on the roadmap. If it doesn't happen some time soon I'll be implementing it myself. (I'm writing my own PDS software)
  • havnagiggle 3y ago
    Finding communities is the toughest part.
    • hiepph 3y ago
      It's still at the early days, so give it some times. But there are already some lively communities and, IMO, they are generally better in terms of quality since Fediverse is more niche and has higher barrier of entry.
  • bozhark 3y ago
    Fediverse doesn’t feel like a solution
  • javajosh 3y ago
    Public service announcement: the only good thing on twitter, massimo, has at least one mirror on mastodon. https://mastodon.social/@rainmaker1973@birdsite.miisu.net https://mastodon.social/@rainmaker1973@birdsite.miisu.net
    • JdeBP 3y ago
      However, BirdsiteLive instances come with their own information for the public. * https://jdebp.uk/FGA/fediverse-third-party-mirrors.html https://jdebp.uk/FGA/fediverse-third-party-mirrors.html
  • esalman 3y ago
    This. Twitter is doing what they can to drive people to mastodon. I've held off closing my Twitter account but I need to get better familiar with mastodon. I was wondering if there are accounts like NWS <location> (weather updates) over there, or so they plan to have some soon. Also from brief exposure, servers like mastodon social reads like left wing echo chambers which is also cringe.
    • brabel 3y ago
      What kind of annoyances have you had on Twitter, as a user, that makes you want to leave? I have been using Twitter more often lately as I really don't care about what they do to their APIs or whatever, and it's honestly improving lately.
      • esalman 3y ago
        The main reason is I followed a lot of scientists in my field of research who left the platform. Plus there's been subtle (and some not so subtle) changes to the algorithm and the software. Most of the people I followed before were clearly left wing. After Musk takeover a lot of them left the platform. Plus the algorithm now pushed more right-wing content in the home page. I wouldn't mind if it were real people discussing valid talking points. The problems are 1) they are all coming from blue check mark accounts, 2) most of it are clearly misinformation, and 3) you can tell most of these tweets and replies are troll and bot accounts. It's just annoying. Musk boosting his own tweets in the feed was annoying. Had to unfollow him. I use Twitter via mobile website, and it breaks more frequently than before. Overall, it's become like Musk's other product, Tesla. It over promises and under delivers. It's not reliable anymore. As a 2x Toyota owner I cannot stand products that are results of crappy engineering. So there you go. Edit: one more thing: it used to be that I could go to the trending hashtags and get latest news in a second. It's not the case anymore. Case in point: yesterday France was trending. I saw the tweets and got the impression that some member of minority community has committed mass stabbing or rape again. Because the Twitter results were brigaded by right wing blue check mark accounts spewing anti immigration propaganda. It was not until I read a BBC article that I realized what happened was complete opposite, police executed an immigrant at a traffic stop. Twitter has lost almost all of its core values under Musk. It's just sad.
  • SemioticStandrd 3y ago
    Agree. https://beehaw.org https://beehaw.org in particular is great
  • marvin 3y ago
    The main problem with the fediverse is that none of the people I want to read, post there. And they never will, because they are disparate sociopolitical demographics and the fediverse by design keeps them in separate instances that I at some level need to think about. The majority use-case requires centralization, which is subject to the network effects that constitute 95% of Twitter's value. Great that it works for you and some others, but it cannot work for most.
• bt4u 3y ago
  See you on obscure irc channels :)
• dbg31415 3y ago
  > This version of the Internet is starting to suck. :( Totally! The internet was better before pay walls / auth walls. I get why we're here today, and I get that the last phase was just about acquiring an audience, and getting people hooked, and now this part of getting everyone to pay was always the plan, but this part really does suck. Just feels like all the services lined up to start shitting on users at the same time. Netflix, YouTube, Reddit, Twitter, NYT (and all the newspapers really)... you can't watch Amazon Prime without having 300 "buy now" buttons in your face. This phase of capitalism sucks.
  • nagonago 3y ago
    I remember seeing a documentary way back in 2000 about the internet that said something like "the internet is freely accessible now, but some people believe eventually pay walls will begin to block access to more and more portions of the internet." And I thought how ridiculous, that will never happen, information wants to be free! Well, looks like I was only partially right. Most access is still "free", but at the cost of enshittification.
    • tourmalinetaco 3y ago
      Information wants to be free, but information is power. And some people want to hoard all the power for themselves.
    • Sharlin 3y ago
      Ah, the F2P (free-to-play) model. Indeed I’m surprised that microtransactions and pay-to-win type dark patterns have mostly not been adopted on the internet at large. And loot boxes! Can’t forget loot boxes.
  • rchaud 3y ago
    If P2P micropayments could somehow have succeeded, then a different Internet could have been possible. Tipping content creators directly is impossible without megacorporations taking a cut, be it Apple, Paypal, Patreon etc, and their unit economics work better with recurring payments, which lands us in subscription hell. One would almost be tempted to ask for a cheque in the mail like in the old days.
• mandmandam 3y ago
  This internet started to suck a long time ago, but today was a red letter day. Reddit's been circling the drain for years, but today is the day it truly crossed a line for millions of people at once (They killed Apollo and RIF). Twitter's been getting rapidly worse since Musk bought it, but this is another red line. We're not even allowed to talk about the influence of bots and astroturfers here. A popular post today was flagged within an hour, just for pointing out that a site claims to sell upvotes on HN. I don't like it when the tech giants get in sync like this...
  • davisr 3y ago
    You can talk about the influence of bots and astroturfers...so long as you agree it's all one big conspiracy theory, like all the comments did on my post from yesterday [1], "The Gentleperson's Guide to Forum Spies". [2] [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36526827 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36526827 [2]: https://web.archive.org/web/20221215015113/https://pastebin.com/raw/irj4Fyd5 https://web.archive.org/web/20221215015113/https://pastebin....
  • SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
    I just opened up RIF to see it was dead. I knew it was coming but I wasn't ready for it. How infuriating.
    • rafark 3y ago
      Fyi narwhal got an extension.
      • SketchySeaBeast 3y ago
        Oh, I see that. Better than nothing.
  • Unkechaug 3y ago
    I would say black letter day. - Reddit API lockdown - Twitter account wall - YouTube increases aggressiveness against Adblock This is on top of similar behavior from other sites that happened long ago. Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, etc. But drastic changes across platforms within 24 hours is unprecedented. This does not bode well.
• akira2501 3y ago
  > This version of the Internet is starting to suck. :( The internet is fine. The highly centralized businesses that built themselves on the technology are meeting their inevitable end.
  • tourmalinetaco 3y ago
    If anything, nature is healing. I’ve noticed at least 1 community return to forums due to all of this (https://mholdschool.com/ https://mholdschool.com/), and while unfortunately AFAIK there isn’t any good FLOSS software for it, it’s certainly a start.
    • goldenkey 3y ago
      What happened to vBulletin by Jelsoft? Needs to be open sourced.
      • Jenk 3y ago
        https://www.vbulletin.com/ https://www.vbulletin.com/
      • rafark 3y ago
        People use xenforo now, which was created by some former developers of vbulletin so it’s very similar.
        • goldenkey 3y ago
          Will have to check it out, thanks!
      • fatfox 3y ago
        Woltlab are still around as well. IIRC Burning Board was vBulletin’s fiercest competitor at the time
    • gbear605 3y ago
      PhpBB is GPLv2, and it still works just fine. Discourse is also GPL, if you’re looking for a more modern look. There are a number of others too (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_s...)
• coffeebeqn 3y ago
  HN doesn’t really have a business model so I’m not sure how much it can be corrupted. I guess if YCombinator ever gets tired of paying the bills , but I’d imagine having a majority(?) of startup/tech employees visit your site almost daily is quite good for them in indirect ways
  • hiddencost 3y ago
    HN business model is to perpetuate YCombinator's culture. It's probably some of the most effective money YC spends.
    • kergonath 3y ago
      It’s effective because in this instance their interests align with their audience’s, which is pretty much an ideal situation in such a capitalist economy. Also, I don’t know how much HN costs, but I cannot believe it is disproportionate in the PR and communication budget of something like YCombinator.
    • viraptor 3y ago
      + customer funnel (launch / show HN), + private, free, targeted job board
    • 7e 3y ago
      Cult, you mean?
      • Throw10987 3y ago
        And loving it ;)
    • ImaCake 3y ago
      Bingo! Being open to access, but heavily moderated, is the perfect spot for them. HN is essentially perfect for it's use case and is unlikely to change soon.
  • pessimizer 3y ago
• gumby 3y ago
  To paraphrase Gilmore, “the net interprets [mandatory login and other access fuckery] as censorship and routes around it” If Twitter locks out more readers, people will stop posting and move elsewhere. If Reddit ejects the mods that made it successful, communities will evolve elsewhere. The forest will regrow and different paths will form, routing around the dying patches.
  • 7e 3y ago
    This is true of any medium in any free society. The net has nothing to do with it. It certainly isn’t capable of interpreting some website action as censorship. It’s not sentient. And there’s no dynamic network routing/damage at play here. It’s just people going somewhere else.
  • thomasahle 3y ago
    This is the main reason I don't use quora and pinterest. But I guess they are still around.
    • jonathankoren 3y ago
      At least Google Images is no longer just Pinterest results. The only time I run into this Fuck You pattern is Instagram refusing to let you replay a video.
    • ddingus 3y ago
      Yes they are, and both are a lot more crappy than they were before.
      • onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
        At least Pinterest is making money, and as a company, that's the only thing it cares about. They aren't trying to delight you, or make the best product for you. They're trying to suck as much money out of you as possible. If that means making a worse product, you're gonna get a worse product. Until this gets beat into the average person's head, we'll keep falling for companies that we think will be different.
• brushfoot 3y ago
  I'm cautiously optimistic about Lemmy. Anyone can spin up an instance, so it's decentralized, but instances are connected, so there's community. It may still be rough around the edges, but to me it feels like the spirit of the old phpBB forums combined with almost 20 years of lessons learned from Reddit.
  • tayo42 3y ago
    Can servers be ad supported? Like can I run a Google ad on my own instance?
    • MrVandemar 3y ago
      We know how much we all love ads. Let's have more of them!
      • Angostura 3y ago
        I see absolutely no reason why an instance might not decide to fund itself on local ads. I see no reason why you couldn't choose an ad-supported or non-ad instance
      • tayo42 3y ago
        Forums used to be ad supported, nothing particularly wrong with being ad supported. Problems occur when your investors expect 10x return on something ad supported. But to have something pay for it self. I'd rather not lose money on it
        • MrVandemar 3y ago
          Actually, there is something wrong with ad supported platforms. Advertisers start imposing restrictions on the actual content, or the owners of the platforms enforce restrictions pre-emptively so it never arises. I was on a forum, and the kind of language and even topics for discussion were severely restricted, partly because of advertising.
    • Stephen304 3y ago
• raverbashing 3y ago
  At this point even "Truth Social" is looking less bad
  • klyrs 3y ago
    Don't hold your breath, its tale of mismanagement is long and sordid.
  • rafark 3y ago
    Lol
• sebastiennight 3y ago
  I have a prediction that will make you happier: This is a temporary thing, that will generate a TON of press (outrage ; praise by the fans at the amazing bold strategy move) and will also generate a TON of signups right as there is a wave of people leaving Reddit. And then it will magically open back up. (More press) And that's the story of pretty much every one of the outrageous/bold/brilliant/terrible strategic decisions you've heard of since the Twitter takeover. What's most amazing is that it works everytime, I'm surprised there isn't an Onion copy/paste article about this each time.
  • kator 3y ago
    New Coke anyone?
  • jyap 3y ago
    This wasn’t the case for Twitter API pricing changes. My Twitter usage is down a lot since they killed off 3rd party clients.
    • nkozyra 3y ago
      > My Twitter usage is down a lot since they killed off 3rd party clients. Every user hostile move they've made basically halves my usage. I used to spend way too much time on Twitter, now it's 10 minutes a week and I don't feel like I miss much.
      • spaceman_2020 3y ago
        It’s a gigantically dumbass move that’s killed off all amateur creators and consumers. My feed is just filled with full-time content creators churning out 1/20 threads that are consumed by other full time content creators. Just a boring echochamber.
        • blitzar 3y ago
          > 1/20 threads Its the twitter equivalent of youtube thumbnail face with 10 million $$$$$$$ in the title.
• mr_sturd 3y ago
  Was using Fritter for Twitter and Infinity for Reddit. Both apps allowed local subscriptions without forcing a login. They were perfect. Both now dead in the water for me.
  • rafark 3y ago
    For everyone really.
• kimixa 3y ago
  It feels like the "natural" development of VC funded websites - they offer a service that's heavily subsidized and losing money hand over fist to displace other services (I guess in Reddit's case it was self-hosted forums and similar?). But that's clearly not sustainable, it's inevitable they'll pivot to monetizing the service - and that's clearly going to make it less attractive than the heavily-subsidized version people have gotten used to. I guess the ideas is to lock the users in to the degree that the increasing monetization is put up with, and slowly enough there's no "sticker shock" of a previously-free service suddenly having a price. I'm constantly amazed people are surprised by this, isn't it obvious that tying to a loss-leader service isn't sustainable?
  • tornato7 3y ago
    Reddit didn't need to be heavily subsidized. Old Reddit was open source, had community-built apps, and could have been run indefinitely with a handful of employees and Reddit Gold. Like a Craigslist or Wikipedia model. Instead with their VC funding they spent $$$ to introduce things like NFTs and TikTok scrolling, which nobody asked for, but it burned through a lot of cash.
  • Wildliferanger 3y ago
    The bigger problem is the plan was basically infinte growth and was only possible due to 0% intrest rates. The last 15 years has been a weird fever dream of free money, now that intrest is a thing again suddenly the infinte spending expansion and figure out profitablity later model is no longer sustianable and reddit twitter google meta ect suddenly have to actually make money again. Basically the internet everyone has been used to for 15 years is dead as the reality of debt suddenly resumes. Expect things to keep getting worse or revert to the old version of the internet of scattered low power sites and forums. Frankly only microsoft is really the only one that has a somewhat sustianable model for an intrest rate enviroment.
    • BrenBarn 3y ago
      > Expect things to keep getting worse or revert to the old version of the internet of scattered low power sites and forums. This is actually the most mood-lightening comment I've seen on this matter. A return to the internet of 15 years ago doesn't sound so bad to me. (Of course, the mood darkens again when I remember that it won't really be that, because, e.g., that internet of 15 years ago couldn't handle the bot-spam of today.)
• rglullis 3y ago
  It-always-did.jpg. I'm at least glad that people will start looking into the alternatives. The next lesson they need to learn is TANSTAAFL. Nothing good can come with an internet where publishers are paid with eyeballs. We need to rescue the idea that "voting with your wallet" is the best and fairest way to have quality content.
  • ricardo81 3y ago
    Somewhat agree, though the income disparity across nations (and even within) makes pricing somewhat more difficult- but I agree with the spirit of it having to be non-free.
• ldehaan 3y ago
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• poisonarena 3y ago
  > I guess I'm done with Twitter. people been saying this for a decade + you'll be back
• Nathanba 3y ago
  also killed my irc bot that scrapes tweets to display them. Imo It won't help twitter to have no free read API calls, people won't click on every twitter link just to read two lines of text. I'd only need ~30 a day but I'm not paying 100 dollars a month (?!) just to read a few tweets.
• ekianjo 3y ago
  > This version of the Internet is starting to suck. :( What sucks is people flocking like sheeps to centralized platforms that have not their best interests at heart. Decentralization has been the answer from day 1 but people dont understand shit and make the same mistake over and over again
• shostack 3y ago
  What's so funny is everyone saying social media sucks and needs to go away. Then when it starts to it's all "no not like that!"
• technofiend 3y ago
  I mean I consider this a huge win: delete your Twitter account and never again will you be tempted to go read a tweet. If only I could set an anonymous expat cookie for all the services I've left behind letting them know "No, seriously: I left and I'm never coming back. No reason to track me, show me your content or ask me to login." Where's my restraining order cookie telling Facebook to fuck off outta my life, never to return?
  • zrobotics 3y ago
    Hosts file? Blackhole Facebook content entirely?
  • nunez 3y ago
    that's a good point i havent' logged into twitter since forever but still have accounts i need to delete them
• berniedurfee 3y ago
  The internet has sucked for a long time, it’s just leveling up again.
• scythe 3y ago
  Reddit's Eternal September began no later than 2018 when Tumblr banned porn. What's happening now is that it has hit an apparent growth ceiling (most of the most upvoted posts are from more than a year ago) and the owners have realized that they have to make it profitable now or never. As long as the site is growing, it doesn't have to be profitable. But when the music stops...
  • Unkechaug 3y ago
    I think the big problem with profitability comes directly from why the userbase grew so large to begin with. People use it as entertainment, and are uploading content that is expensive to host. Video and images are magnitudes larger than simple text and links to that content. If Reddit didn’t take it upon themselves to host media, they wouldn’t be in such a crunch. They also wouldn’t have grown so large, true, but there was no question of Reddit’s sustainability then. With mainly text and links, weathering the slowdown in growth storm would be easier.
• tigroferoce 3y ago
  I second you word by word. Years ago I was brought to twitter compared to Facebook exactly because you could read without being logged in. After a few years it had become a hellish place with lots of flames and arguments, but it still had some value. It became clear that my engagement was mainly to discuss with random people about things knowing they would never change their minds (neither would I) on things like Covid vaccines. It was a huge waste of time, but I found it out that surfing it as non logged would amore allow me to read without being able to reply to the most stupid comments. Some sort of read only Twitter. Now that it has gone, Twitter has irrelevant.
• spaceman_2020 3y ago
  I’m so jaded with the internet at this point. Most phone apps and games are a microtransaction hell. Most social media apps are a race to the bottom with clickbait. Every website is littered with ads and popups and cookie banners. Time to go outside and forget that the online world exists.
  • skydhash 3y ago
    I have Starlink, which gives me a US IP when I connect to it, and I was surprised to see the amount of ads people there are subjected. Most don’t do business where I am, so their free tier is effectively without ads for me (except twitch. It choses to show me US ads for some reason).
  • Unkechaug 3y ago
    There is any believable amount of content being made where the value is so absurdly low, I welcome this change. For everyone that wants to setup a copy/paste version of a CRUD app or YouTube channel, that is a ton of time and effort being wasted. I’m not saying we should be focused on solely optimizing everyone’s time and efforts, but it’s clear we have tipped the scale too far with how much time and effort is being dedicated to bullshit. If we as a society decided to channel these efforts into building infrastructure improvements and homes, I think this would help a lot more. I understand the biggest problems in that respect are legal and cultural, but I can’t help but feel people have tried nothing and are all out of ideas.
• dang 3y ago
  HN isn't next. We hate change. (More precisely: we're acutely aware that users hate change, and since we do too, it's kind of an easy call.) Also, the value of HN to YC consists of the community and keeping the community happy is therefore a must. (Did I say happy? More precisely: as happy as possible under the circumstances)
  • disillusioned 3y ago
    This attitude that: if it ain't broke, don't destroy it, is something I'm finding myself valuing increasingly. I use Stylish to make HN look a bit more readable and prettier, and beyond that, it functions exactly how I want it to and I'm glad to see that the institutional momentum here is a core value.
    • KronisLV 3y ago
      > If it ain't broke, don't destroy it. That's actually a nice way of putting it! Better than the "fix" version, because this is clear on the consequences. I feel like it might be applied to everything from OS UI design (Windows 11), web platform redesigns (Google's icons) to whatever is going on with social media (the silly enshittification term describes this) and many other things.
      • throw2022110401 3y ago
        Yeah, it really is "destroy". Let's say that you are the proud owner of a goose that lays golden eggs. "fixing" would be switching it to a different feed that might make it more productive, or it might make it sick. But this year the trend is to give it a few good kicks to see if that helps.
    • vinay_ys 3y ago
      All I do is hit cmd+plus to increase the font size.
    • dang 3y ago
      Move slowly and preserve things. https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22Move%20slowly%20and%20preserve%20things%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
• xkbarkar 3y ago
  Disagree . Two of its most toxic waterholes finally gone. Join the wholesome and useful internet . Its out there. I promise .
• suction 3y ago
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• system2 3y ago
  HN can run on a $10 droplet with cloudflare cdn. It is a text based forum with relatively low volume visitors.
• hliyan 3y ago
  I worry that at some point, Google will start monetising GMail and "Sign in with Google". This might be a calamity of a much larger scale.
• deleted 3y ago
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• Traittor 3y ago
  I just made an updated tool that should work Replace http://twitter.com http://twitter.com by http://traittor.net http://traittor.net http://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1675187969420828672 http://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1675187969420828672 to http://traittor.net/elonmusk/status/1675187969420828672 http://traittor.net/elonmusk/status/1675187969420828672 Is normally bypassing no registered account and limit by day. Unfortunately it does not work with all the tweets and especially the recent ones Have fun :)