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I just ran into this problem -- not being able to view tweets without logging in. As much as I hate Musk, this is clearly the trajectory of all platforms. Witho

I just ran into this problem -- not being able to view tweets without logging in. As much as I hate Musk, this is clearly the trajectory of all platforms. Without a unified push towards self-hosting or the fediverse, the internet as we know it is over :(

ChatGTP 3y ago
Funnily enough I always respected him for keeping it login free. I thought this was about his town / square free speech vision. Now I can never see myself going near the site again. Oh well.
- tourmalinetaco 3y ago
  Yeah, wasn’t that a major hoopla before? Removing the forced login prompt? Making it optional, then removing it, but now re-adding it even worse.
- __loam 3y ago
  I don't know how anyone can respect a man who calls a professional rescue working trying to save kids from a cave flood a pedophile. Musk has always been a piece of shit.
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    I don’t mean I respect him, just a particular decision.
  - CatWChainsaw 3y ago
    He also got off the hook for slander/libel by claiming "pedo guy" is a nickname. So clearly calling musk a "pedo guy" is just an affectionate nickname, too.
- LadyCailin 3y ago
  Your first mistake was assuming he isn't a piece of shit, despite him proving that over and over. Hopefully now you learn the lesson.
jtriangle 3y ago
We'll probably see a comeback once the LLM craze has blown over. So, 5-10 years
- __loam 3y ago
  I can't wait for the verge articles waxing poetic about the untilled fields of pre-ai content.
gjsman-1000 3y ago
Been over for a long time. We've had a lot of consolidation into Reddit (which, you can browse mostly anonymously, it will just beg you to death to log in unless you use the old site); and we've also had a mountain of consolidation into Discord (the most unsearchable system ever designed). People stopped hosting their own forums. Frankly, it's hard to not see why. The constant spam and people avoiding bans wasn't helpful - and modern forum software like Discourse is pure agony to set up and maintain if you don't know what you are doing. Not that forum software hasn't always been hard to set up, but the modern software stacks are particularly hard to manage. Also, what normal people see as good UX, in my experience, almost completely does not match what computer engineers and the average open-source contributor sees as good UX.
- beachy 3y ago
  > modern forum software like Discourse is pure agony to set up and maintain if you don't know what you are doing I'd like to know more about why Discourse is this way. Why the fark can't I just docker compose it up and running? I'm almost but not quite thinking about paying for a hosted Discourse solution since time is money. But why do they make it so hard?
- krustyburger 3y ago
  Reddit is under no obligation to continue supporting the old site.
  - meepmorp 3y ago
    Is anyone saying they're obligated to support the old site? I don't think that's a supportable inference to draw from people's observations that the new design is hot garbage.
  - tourmalinetaco 3y ago
    If they want me and millions of others to use it they are.
fireflash38 3y ago
It's already been super shit with how many pop-ups come up when viewing a tweet. One for an account, one for Google account, one for notifications.
2-718-281-828 3y ago
there will never be a unified push but this development will eventually provide the energy and motivation for a critical mass to take action.
sakopov 3y ago
I like how we keep pretending that any of this complicated shit is better than good old phpBB. There are no modern inventions for social interactions which made actual interactions better. They're all incomprehensible UX nightmares used mostly by the loud minority of users on the web (i.e. Twitter actively engages with only 7% of the entire internet user base) who censor each other and then fight over how to make it all "better" by over-engineering everything.
- teeray 3y ago
  Yep. Until there’s a big fat “Create Account” button, users are going to remain confused about instances. We’ve tried explaining it to them for years and they still don’t get it. The abstraction is clearly just a bad one, and needs to be swept under a rug somehow.
- GolfPopper 3y ago
  The most useful parts of the internet for me lately are focused hobbyist forums. The rest of it keeps becoming increasingly difficult to use.
- chongli 3y ago
  The problems with phpBB are at least two-fold: 1) discovery If I can’t find a forum, it’s not much use to me! 2) single sign-on I don’t want to make a million accounts for a million separate forums. I want one account that I can take with me to every forum. Both of these issues were solved by Reddit. This was its major value-add. The user base brought all of the remaining value with them. This is also the value of the fediverse, of which lemmy is a fine example. Yes, the technology is way more complicated than phpBB, but it solves these very challenging problems which present huge barriers to growing an individual forum (which must be overcome once again, every time for every forum).
  - larvaetron 3y ago
    [flagged]
  - sakopov 3y ago
jjulius 3y ago
>... the internet as we know it is over :( Disagree. I'd frame it as the "popular web" as we know it is over. There's plenty of other space on the internet for other web experiences that are different from what corporations have given us over the past two decades.

ChatGTP 3y ago

Funnily enough I always respected him for keeping it login free. I thought this was about his town / square free speech vision. Now I can never see myself going near the site again. Oh well.

tourmalinetaco 3y ago
Yeah, wasn’t that a major hoopla before? Removing the forced login prompt? Making it optional, then removing it, but now re-adding it even worse.
__loam 3y ago
I don't know how anyone can respect a man who calls a professional rescue working trying to save kids from a cave flood a pedophile. Musk has always been a piece of shit.
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  I don’t mean I respect him, just a particular decision.
- CatWChainsaw 3y ago
  He also got off the hook for slander/libel by claiming "pedo guy" is a nickname. So clearly calling musk a "pedo guy" is just an affectionate nickname, too.
LadyCailin 3y ago
Your first mistake was assuming he isn't a piece of shit, despite him proving that over and over. Hopefully now you learn the lesson.

jtriangle 3y ago

We'll probably see a comeback once the LLM craze has blown over. So, 5-10 years

__loam 3y ago
I can't wait for the verge articles waxing poetic about the untilled fields of pre-ai content.

gjsman-1000 3y ago

Been over for a long time. We've had a lot of consolidation into Reddit (which, you can browse mostly anonymously, it will just beg you to death to log in unless you use the old site); and we've also had a mountain of consolidation into Discord (the most unsearchable system ever designed). People stopped hosting their own forums. Frankly, it's hard to not see why. The constant spam and people avoiding bans wasn't helpful - and modern forum software like Discourse is pure agony to set up and maintain if you don't know what you are doing. Not that forum software hasn't always been hard to set up, but the modern software stacks are particularly hard to manage. Also, what normal people see as good UX, in my experience, almost completely does not match what computer engineers and the average open-source contributor sees as good UX.

beachy 3y ago
> modern forum software like Discourse is pure agony to set up and maintain if you don't know what you are doing I'd like to know more about why Discourse is this way. Why the fark can't I just docker compose it up and running? I'm almost but not quite thinking about paying for a hosted Discourse solution since time is money. But why do they make it so hard?
krustyburger 3y ago
Reddit is under no obligation to continue supporting the old site.
- meepmorp 3y ago
  Is anyone saying they're obligated to support the old site? I don't think that's a supportable inference to draw from people's observations that the new design is hot garbage.
- tourmalinetaco 3y ago
  If they want me and millions of others to use it they are.

fireflash38 3y ago

It's already been super shit with how many pop-ups come up when viewing a tweet. One for an account, one for Google account, one for notifications.

2-718-281-828 3y ago

there will never be a unified push but this development will eventually provide the energy and motivation for a critical mass to take action.

sakopov 3y ago

I like how we keep pretending that any of this complicated shit is better than good old phpBB. There are no modern inventions for social interactions which made actual interactions better. They're all incomprehensible UX nightmares used mostly by the loud minority of users on the web (i.e. Twitter actively engages with only 7% of the entire internet user base) who censor each other and then fight over how to make it all "better" by over-engineering everything.

teeray 3y ago
Yep. Until there’s a big fat “Create Account” button, users are going to remain confused about instances. We’ve tried explaining it to them for years and they still don’t get it. The abstraction is clearly just a bad one, and needs to be swept under a rug somehow.
GolfPopper 3y ago
The most useful parts of the internet for me lately are focused hobbyist forums. The rest of it keeps becoming increasingly difficult to use.
chongli 3y ago
The problems with phpBB are at least two-fold: 1) discovery If I can’t find a forum, it’s not much use to me! 2) single sign-on I don’t want to make a million accounts for a million separate forums. I want one account that I can take with me to every forum. Both of these issues were solved by Reddit. This was its major value-add. The user base brought all of the remaining value with them. This is also the value of the fediverse, of which lemmy is a fine example. Yes, the technology is way more complicated than phpBB, but it solves these very challenging problems which present huge barriers to growing an individual forum (which must be overcome once again, every time for every forum).
- larvaetron 3y ago
  [flagged]
- sakopov 3y ago

jjulius 3y ago

>... the internet as we know it is over :( Disagree. I'd frame it as the "popular web" as we know it is over. There's plenty of other space on the internet for other web experiences that are different from what corporations have given us over the past two decades.