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I don’t really understand viewpoints like these. The submitter knows the AI isn’t lying and the submitter is being purposefully obtuse in order to drive contro

by soared 3y ago

I don’t really understand viewpoints like these. The submitter knows the AI isn’t lying and the submitter is being purposefully obtuse in order to drive controversy.

donmcronald 3y ago
Hallucinating, lying. What difference does it make when it's giving you an inaccurate, possibly made up explanation of an API?
feoren 3y ago
> The submitter knows the AI isn’t lying You've somehow internalized something as "obvious to everyone" that's actually very wrong and dangerous about AI. Of course the AI is lying. Or, perhaps a better term would be "bullshitting", defined as "sounding convincing while having no regard for the truth". By that definition, bullshitting is all LLMs ever do.
- gAI 3y ago
  That's an ungenerous way of describing direct access to semantic space. gAI is creative. Rules-based AI is logical. We need them both.
  - slotrans 3y ago
    It may be "ungenerous" but it's accurate. Unlike the output of LLMs.
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  - ImaCake 3y ago
    This is a good point. The problem is that most people simply don’t care about these nuances. If the AI hallucinates or is wrong, then in their eyes it is lying. It doesn’t matter if that opinion is wrong because its still the opinion that matters.
  - feoren 3y ago
    But MDN's "AI Explain" is just straight LLM output, right? It's neither generative (LLMs are transformers, not GANNs, right?) nor rules-based: it's predictive. We need that too. But not for technical documentation! Not on its own!
    - gAI 3y ago
      Aye, I agree this sounds like a strange and ill-fitting implementation. And it bums me out, because the more LLMs are used incorrectly, the harder it is to get people to use them at all.
      - brasic 3y ago
        You’re worried about people not using LLM’s _enough_???
        gAI 3y ago
        On the user side, yes. It's an uphill battle getting most of the people I know to understand and use ChatGPT.
manquer 3y ago
The accusation is not that AI is lying it is that MDN is, especially given they are showing it at the same level as curated source with reputation for high degree of quality without full disclosure at error rates to expect
fsociety 3y ago
We don’t need more garbage on our internet. MDN has been a high quality source of information forever now. This is a large step backwards. That’s the viewpoint.

by soared 3y ago

I don’t really understand viewpoints like these. The submitter knows the AI isn’t lying and the submitter is being purposefully obtuse in order to drive controversy.

donmcronald 3y ago

Hallucinating, lying. What difference does it make when it's giving you an inaccurate, possibly made up explanation of an API?

feoren 3y ago

> The submitter knows the AI isn’t lying You've somehow internalized something as "obvious to everyone" that's actually very wrong and dangerous about AI. Of course the AI is lying. Or, perhaps a better term would be "bullshitting", defined as "sounding convincing while having no regard for the truth". By that definition, bullshitting is all LLMs ever do.

gAI 3y ago
That's an ungenerous way of describing direct access to semantic space. gAI is creative. Rules-based AI is logical. We need them both.
- slotrans 3y ago
  It may be "ungenerous" but it's accurate. Unlike the output of LLMs.
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- ImaCake 3y ago
  This is a good point. The problem is that most people simply don’t care about these nuances. If the AI hallucinates or is wrong, then in their eyes it is lying. It doesn’t matter if that opinion is wrong because its still the opinion that matters.
- feoren 3y ago
  But MDN's "AI Explain" is just straight LLM output, right? It's neither generative (LLMs are transformers, not GANNs, right?) nor rules-based: it's predictive. We need that too. But not for technical documentation! Not on its own!
  - gAI 3y ago
    Aye, I agree this sounds like a strange and ill-fitting implementation. And it bums me out, because the more LLMs are used incorrectly, the harder it is to get people to use them at all.
    - brasic 3y ago
      You’re worried about people not using LLM’s _enough_???
      - gAI 3y ago
        On the user side, yes. It's an uphill battle getting most of the people I know to understand and use ChatGPT.

manquer 3y ago

The accusation is not that AI is lying it is that MDN is, especially given they are showing it at the same level as curated source with reputation for high degree of quality without full disclosure at error rates to expect

fsociety 3y ago

We don’t need more garbage on our internet. MDN has been a high quality source of information forever now. This is a large step backwards. That’s the viewpoint.