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If you care deeply enough about any of those things that they're a major concern when choosing a phone, yes, I do make the same argument. A major audiophile wo

by OJFord 3y ago

If you care deeply enough about any of those things that they're a major concern when choosing a phone, yes, I do make the same argument. A major audiophile won't be happy with a phone. Someone big into 'caching' isn't using Google or Apple maps. A home theatre -phile won't want to watch something good on a phone.

scarface_74 3y ago
The poster specifically said > …that software does amazing things with old camera hardware . A “better camera” supported by worse software is not what the poster seems to want. Are you going to carry around your camera with you everywhere? And as far as audiophiles, it’s been repeatedly shown in blind studies that they can’t tell the difference as often as their snobbery would suggest. But I made good commissions in college selling overpriced Monster cables to them.
- OJFord 3y ago
  No cameraphile uses on-camera software to.. do anything. That you can do better on a computer than a phone then goes without saying. I'm not going to carry it everywhere no, nor did I say that. (Actually I didn't even say it applied to me.) I carry my Panasonic TZ100 when on holiday or otherwise desirous of better-than-phone photos. It fits in my pocket. Not the same one as my phone granted, but nonetheless in a pocket while in a case and straddling a spare battery. There are audiophiles and audiophiles. A good chunk of them will laugh at Monster cables et al. as much as any of us. You can appreciate a better DAC than found in most/all phones without descending into gold-plated USB-C charging cables that maintain optimal audio nonsense. And even that assuming playback of some locally stored file. I'm not sure any of the mainstream streaming Services offer a format/bitrate that it's not possible objectively to do better than.
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    I’ve scoured the internet and I can’t find any study that shows people can reliably tell the the difference between 256Kb AAC and lossless.
    - develop7 3y ago
      You can produce anything you want out of lossless file. Other way around? Not so much
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        That’s true. But that still doesn’t mean that these “audiophiles” aren’t full of themselves
        develop7 3y ago
        Hear hear
    - OJFord 3y ago
      For the purpose of this discussion it doesn't matter - the germane point is that some people will want a 'better' system regardless of whether your studies agree it is significantly/detectably so.

by OJFord 3y ago

scarface_74 3y ago

The poster specifically said > …that software does amazing things with old camera hardware . A “better camera” supported by worse software is not what the poster seems to want. Are you going to carry around your camera with you everywhere? And as far as audiophiles, it’s been repeatedly shown in blind studies that they can’t tell the difference as often as their snobbery would suggest. But I made good commissions in college selling overpriced Monster cables to them.

OJFord 3y ago
No cameraphile uses on-camera software to.. do anything. That you can do better on a computer than a phone then goes without saying. I'm not going to carry it everywhere no, nor did I say that. (Actually I didn't even say it applied to me.) I carry my Panasonic TZ100 when on holiday or otherwise desirous of better-than-phone photos. It fits in my pocket. Not the same one as my phone granted, but nonetheless in a pocket while in a case and straddling a spare battery. There are audiophiles and audiophiles. A good chunk of them will laugh at Monster cables et al. as much as any of us. You can appreciate a better DAC than found in most/all phones without descending into gold-plated USB-C charging cables that maintain optimal audio nonsense. And even that assuming playback of some locally stored file. I'm not sure any of the mainstream streaming Services offer a format/bitrate that it's not possible objectively to do better than.
- scarface_74 3y ago
  I’ve scoured the internet and I can’t find any study that shows people can reliably tell the the difference between 256Kb AAC and lossless.
  - develop7 3y ago
    You can produce anything you want out of lossless file. Other way around? Not so much
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      That’s true. But that still doesn’t mean that these “audiophiles” aren’t full of themselves
      - develop7 3y ago
        Hear hear
  - OJFord 3y ago
    For the purpose of this discussion it doesn't matter - the germane point is that some people will want a 'better' system regardless of whether your studies agree it is significantly/detectably so.