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I see H1Bs becoming more and more prominent in the big companies both as leadership and as ICs. I was on a team (at a big famous SF company) that was all India

I see H1Bs becoming more and more prominent in the big companies both as leadership and as ICs. I was on a team (at a big famous SF company) that was all Indian people on visas and the entire leadership structure up to Satya Nadella was Indian. If anything this seems ominous for Americans.

throwaway019254 3y ago
It’s not SF company. Microsoft is headquartered in Redmond, WA (Seattle area).
- flappyeagle 3y ago
  Github and Linkedin are both bay area companies
  - paxys 3y ago
    Neither of them have ever had Indian CEOs, so what they claim couldn't have been true.
    - Kon-Peki 3y ago
      The OP is probably referring to Sun Microsystems.
      - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        Sun and LinkedIn weren't in SF, and Nadella wasn't in leadership at Sun or GitHub, so GP's coy slip is bizarre and nonsensical.
  - nerdchum 3y ago
    Bingo my bad R.R. wasnt Indian person but he was out with ski accident for like a year...
    - nerdchum 3y ago
      So out of 10 people in the chain of command nine out of 10 were Indian people and when the non-Indian person was out with an injury he was replaced by an Indian person.
amiga1200 3y ago
It’s the same everywhere. In the Australian government most directors who hire developers are Indian and seem to have all Indian teams on worker visas. It’s impossible to get a government position now. Last year three government directors were found guilty of hiring subcontinent developers for a fee.
- WeylandYutani 3y ago
  I suppose the Dutch language is good for one thing: nobody can learn it! I've seen Germans (oh it's just a dialect) break down into tears trying. And it has absolutely no use whatsoever abroad.
  - chrisldgk 3y ago
    German here, can confirm. Dutch sounds like weird German, and as a German you can usually read it, but speaking Dutch is an entirely different thing.
- ir123 3y ago
  Indians are hired because the wages they ask are much lower. Do you agree that this benefits citizens of Australia too? Australia has a small population, it can not develop a work force with specialised skills. If it could, then the wages asked by its citizens would be much higher, and these costs would be passed to the regular citizen.
Dig1t 3y ago
I'm looking at changing roles at my current job, positions are few and far between right now, especially for the area in which I want to live. I've been scouring the internal job board, which is just a version of the external board with extra internal information attached, and all the promising jobs seem to have a notice plastered on them that says: "THIS NOTICE IS BEING FILED AS A RESULT OF THE FILING OF AN APPLICATION FOR PERMANENT ALIEN LABOR CERTIFICATION. ANY PERSON MAY PROVIDE DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE BEARING ON THE APPLICATION TO THE REGIONAL CERTIFYING OFFICER OF THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF LABOR." When I apply for them I never hear anything back. I don't really know what that notice means, but I am a citizen and really want (and am more than qualified for) the jobs they are posted under.
- amiga1200 3y ago
  Same in Australia. The jobs are advertised but I never hear anything back. For me it’s not a racial thing as I too am an naturalized immigrant, but it seems the preference for subcontinental “skilled” workers is prioritized.
- DeRock 3y ago
  Those job postings are part of the "labor market test" that is a pre-requisite for applying for an employment based greencard. The intent is to ensure there are no able and willing Americans able to do the job that the immigrant is applying for their green card based on. In practice, they are often set up by immigration lawyers to be mostly a formality, and there is little chance of being offered a job that is advertised as part of it.
  - junar 3y ago
    In other words, this isn't a real job listing. If the employer wasn't sponsoring the intending immigrant for a green card, it wouldn't exist in the first place. The employer already intends to hire the immigrant. In fact, the immigrant may already be working for them on an H1-B or other visa. So it's effectively a job listing that is already filled.
    - 3y ago
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fakedang 3y ago
Well it's only going to worse. Indians and some Middle Eastern communities are infamous globally for such nepotistic practices. Not to mention, within the Indian community, there is caste-based and religion-based discrimination too. I'm sure the HN community is no stranger to that news.
wesapien 3y ago
Eric Weinstein spoke about H1Bs and how they screwed over American scientists. It devalued local scientists earning potential.

throwaway019254 3y ago

It’s not SF company. Microsoft is headquartered in Redmond, WA (Seattle area).

flappyeagle 3y ago
Github and Linkedin are both bay area companies
- paxys 3y ago
  Neither of them have ever had Indian CEOs, so what they claim couldn't have been true.
  - Kon-Peki 3y ago
    The OP is probably referring to Sun Microsystems.
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
      Sun and LinkedIn weren't in SF, and Nadella wasn't in leadership at Sun or GitHub, so GP's coy slip is bizarre and nonsensical.
- nerdchum 3y ago
  Bingo my bad R.R. wasnt Indian person but he was out with ski accident for like a year...
  - nerdchum 3y ago
    So out of 10 people in the chain of command nine out of 10 were Indian people and when the non-Indian person was out with an injury he was replaced by an Indian person.

amiga1200 3y ago

It’s the same everywhere. In the Australian government most directors who hire developers are Indian and seem to have all Indian teams on worker visas. It’s impossible to get a government position now. Last year three government directors were found guilty of hiring subcontinent developers for a fee.

WeylandYutani 3y ago
I suppose the Dutch language is good for one thing: nobody can learn it! I've seen Germans (oh it's just a dialect) break down into tears trying. And it has absolutely no use whatsoever abroad.
- chrisldgk 3y ago
  German here, can confirm. Dutch sounds like weird German, and as a German you can usually read it, but speaking Dutch is an entirely different thing.
ir123 3y ago
Indians are hired because the wages they ask are much lower. Do you agree that this benefits citizens of Australia too? Australia has a small population, it can not develop a work force with specialised skills. If it could, then the wages asked by its citizens would be much higher, and these costs would be passed to the regular citizen.

Dig1t 3y ago

I'm looking at changing roles at my current job, positions are few and far between right now, especially for the area in which I want to live. I've been scouring the internal job board, which is just a version of the external board with extra internal information attached, and all the promising jobs seem to have a notice plastered on them that says: "THIS NOTICE IS BEING FILED AS A RESULT OF THE FILING OF AN APPLICATION FOR PERMANENT ALIEN LABOR CERTIFICATION. ANY PERSON MAY PROVIDE DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE BEARING ON THE APPLICATION TO THE REGIONAL CERTIFYING OFFICER OF THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF LABOR." When I apply for them I never hear anything back. I don't really know what that notice means, but I am a citizen and really want (and am more than qualified for) the jobs they are posted under.

amiga1200 3y ago
Same in Australia. The jobs are advertised but I never hear anything back. For me it’s not a racial thing as I too am an naturalized immigrant, but it seems the preference for subcontinental “skilled” workers is prioritized.
DeRock 3y ago
Those job postings are part of the "labor market test" that is a pre-requisite for applying for an employment based greencard. The intent is to ensure there are no able and willing Americans able to do the job that the immigrant is applying for their green card based on. In practice, they are often set up by immigration lawyers to be mostly a formality, and there is little chance of being offered a job that is advertised as part of it.
- junar 3y ago
  In other words, this isn't a real job listing. If the employer wasn't sponsoring the intending immigrant for a green card, it wouldn't exist in the first place. The employer already intends to hire the immigrant. In fact, the immigrant may already be working for them on an H1-B or other visa. So it's effectively a job listing that is already filled.
  - 3y ago

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fakedang 3y ago

Well it's only going to worse. Indians and some Middle Eastern communities are infamous globally for such nepotistic practices. Not to mention, within the Indian community, there is caste-based and religion-based discrimination too. I'm sure the HN community is no stranger to that news.

wesapien 3y ago

Eric Weinstein spoke about H1Bs and how they screwed over American scientists. It devalued local scientists earning potential.