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Want to protect dolphins, whales and other bycatch? Don't eat fish. https://www.seaspiracy.org/facts https://www.seaspiracy.org/facts 10,000+ dolphins are ki

• 11235813213455 3y ago
  Don't have pets also (they eat 1/5th of worldwide fish production)
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  • CryptoBanker 3y ago
    Pretty sure it’s 20% of all meat
    • 11235813213455 3y ago
      20% of meat and fish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_food https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_food
  • ch4s3 3y ago
    You can by fish free pet food. I’m not sure why people are downvoting this, you can literally by fish free cat food https://cats.com/fish-free-cat-food https://cats.com/fish-free-cat-food.
    • swores 3y ago
      To quote the HN Guidelines: "Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading." Sometimes a good comment can be downvoted by the first couple of people before swinging around, sometimes a good comment is unfairly left downvoted or sometimes a downvoted comment means worth thinking whether maybe it wasn't as good as thought - regardless it's just a comment's karma so try not to care.
      • ch4s3 3y ago
        I’m more inviting people to explain their disagreement rather than complaining. But I see your point.
    • 11235813213455 3y ago
      I'm not downvoting, but fish free food is higher in meat? "Succulent Chicken" Same problem, animal farming is disastrous for the environment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_food https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pet_food and it concern a minority of pets (and it's because of allergies, not for environmental reasons) Pets should eat insect-based food, and there should be less pets, that's I think a better direction
• darksaints 3y ago
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  • 9dev 3y ago
    Care to elaborate? You don’t mind lots of probably very much intelligent animals being killed by accident? Why?
    • thriftwy 3y ago
      A classic dialogue from Dog's Heart, regarding starving German children, ensues.
    • ddoolin 3y ago
      They should probably stop killing dolphins indiscriminately in the name of catching fish.
      • 9dev 3y ago
        Only that doesn’t work with the current method of catching lots of fish. The industry tries (bycatch is annoying to them), but is unable to. That’s the issue.
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    • darksaints 3y ago
      Global warming is heavily impacted by animal agriculture. The vegan solution is to stop consuming animals. But why can't we just stop eating bovines, which cause 80% of those emissions? Why can't we switch to chicken? Why can't we eat sardines? Why can't we modify industrial ag diets so they produce less enteric fermentation? Why can't we have carbon taxes so that the costs of remediation are priced into the meat? If you ask the vegan, none of that works...We MuSt ImEdIaTeLy CeAsE aLl HuMaN cOnSuMpTiOn Of AnImAlS!!!!!!!!! It's the same here. It's not good enough to better regulate fishing methods that minimize bycatch. It's not good enough to tax and penalize bycatch. It's not good enough to shift consumption to small pelagic forage fish that have negligible bycatch. It's not good enough to shift to farmed fish, or freshwater fish. Nothing is ever good enough...we must immediately discard human diets and cultures that have evolved over hundreds of thousands of years, and if we're not willing to do that, we obviously hate dolphins. Can you sense an eye-roll here? So here is my elaboration: vegans start from the end goal and then work backwards to find any reason to justify it, no matter how disconnected from reality it is. And it is always the same...the only way to solve every single problem on the planet is to stop consuming animal products. It lacks any form of intelligent thought or nuance, and it is an extremely disingenuous form of argument, so it gets the response it deserves: derision and dismissal. Come back when you want to have an actual conversation.
• thriftwy 3y ago
  Grain harvesting kills a lot of field mice, who are perhaps not as smart as dolphins, but are still active, playful mammals. They also were not raised and selected for that fate. So?
  • nine_k 3y ago
    The difference is that we are not trying to learn how to talk to mice, as to potential intellectual peers.
  • myshpa 3y ago
    https://web.archive.org/web/20230204130304/https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/06/23/most-of-the-worlds-grain-is-not-eaten-by-humans https://web.archive.org/web/20230204130304/https://www.econo... Nearly half of all grain is either burned as fuel or eaten by animals https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/vegans-kill-animals-too https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/vegans-kill-animals-too "Crop fields do indeed disrupt the habitats of wild animals, and wild animals are also killed when harvesting plants. However, this point makes the case for a plant-based diet and not against it, since many more plants are required to produce a measure of animal flesh for food (often as high as 12:1) than are required to produce an equal measure of plants for food (which is obviously 1:1). Because of this, a plant-based diet causes less suffering and death than one that includes animals." > They also were not raised and selected for that fate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUmmN3lnUhY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUmmN3lnUhY
    • kortilla 3y ago
      Less suffering and death is still suffering and death. You lose any moral high ground if you still consume things willingly that kills animals. At that point why not eat chicken eggs occasionally and reduce the amount of grain you’re eating?
      • hombre_fatal 3y ago
        Is it morally equivalent to kill an ant for your meal than to kill 100 dogs for your meal because they both involve suffering and death? How would choosing the ant death not give you the moral high ground?
• mjfl 3y ago
  Do dolphins taste good?
  • sockaddr 3y ago
    Might taste like cow?
  • pvaldes 3y ago
    Welcome to the flavor of mercury
  • andsoitis 3y ago
    While cooked dolphin meat has a flavor very similar to beef liver, it is high in mercury, and may pose a health danger to humans when consumed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_mammals_as_food https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_mammals_as_food
• nine_k 3y ago
  I suppose there should be better ways to catch fish but not dolphins; they are different enough. Not that the ocean fishing industry isn't pretty screwed currently, with overfishing, lost gear which is deadly for marine life, etc. OTOH farmed fish exists (of what I regularly see it's mostly salmon, trout, and tilapia).
  • thriftwy 3y ago
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  • myshpa 3y ago
    Salmon and trout feed usually contains a combination of fishmeal, fish oil, and plant-based ingredients. Fishmeal and fish oil are typically derived from small marine fish like anchovies, sardines, or menhaden. IIRC it takes upto 5 kg of fishmeal to produce 1kg of farmed fish. Fish farming has also issues (water pollution, eutrophication, diseases and parasites, feed dependency contributing to overfishing and unsustainable fishing practices, ...). Antibiotic use in fish farms poses threat to humans, study says https://www.aquaculturenorthamerica.com/antibiotic-use-in-fish-farms-poses-threat-to-humans-study-says/ https://www.aquaculturenorthamerica.com/antibiotic-use-in-fi...
    • ge96 3y ago
      there is the lab grown salmon, wildtype not sure how far they are right now
  • mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y ago
    As a Norwegian, I can tell you farmed fish is not as ecologically friendly as one might believe. Here it's generally farmed in fjords. Because factory farming and parasites go hand in hand, parasites are a huge problem, killings lots of fish. To combat this, they dump a bunch of nasty chemicals into the water like organophosphates and ivermectin. This is very harmful to aquatic life in the area. The parasites bred in these conditions can also be dangerous to aquatic ecosystems. And farmed salmon have a tendency to escape their ponds and mess up wild fish populations. May be less ecologically harmful than fishing, but it's not exactly good either. Edit: correction as per the helpful reply below.
• OJFord 3y ago
  There's no way mackerel are unsustainable, unqualified. Maybe not at present net-dragging prices, but I've been mackereling a couple of times, with crab lines trailing off the back (while we headed to a deeper spot for rod fishing), absolute easiest fishing imaginable, it doesn't qualify as sport. Some 'bycatch', but only other edibles like swordfish. And of course fishing like that you can set them free if not desired anyway. Depending on season I can't really imagine it could be much more expensive. Afaict the only reason there isn't more commercial action from small boats is the competition from big trawlers. If you eat mackerel at an independent restaurant in a coastal town on the UK I think there's a good chance it's a local catch by a local fisherman. They're just not going to get the bigger contracts, nor pieces of them when they can be filled in total by a bigger operation.
  • nicoburns 3y ago
    My understanding is that this used to be true of most fish species. But overfishing means that a lot of populations have dramatically declined. We absolutely can and will do this to mackerel too if we continue current trawling practices.