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Ah, the "if you disagree, you're literally hitler" response. Nothing in my statements endorses racism in any form. The only reason to bring that as a response

Ah, the "if you disagree, you're literally hitler" response. Nothing in my statements endorses racism in any form. The only reason to bring that as a response is to strawman and attack what you think is said and not what really exists.

MarkMarine 3y ago
What do you think the rest of these cases test ? This is the same reasoning, what you’re using, that people used for segregation. The reason people are forced to serve black people in restaurants is the same reason that these protections for LGBT people exist. It’s “protected classes” including race. It was in the oral arguments, Alito was discussing a black Santa at a mall and a kid in a KKK hood. So I’m not standing up a straw man, I’m not calling you hitler, but it is funny how quickly you ran to that as some kind of defense.
- wernercd 3y ago
  "it's funny how quickly you ran" in response to you claiming support of religious protections is support of segregation. I literally responded to your escalation with an equally stupid response. I responded in kind. "protected class" you mean... like religion? You realize that religion is a protected class? belief in stuff like traditional marriage? Serving you food is not the same as creating art with a message that goes against your religion. Just like the cake guy didn't refuse to sell to anyone - he simply refused to make product with messages that went against his religion. he would sell you a cake... but not one with a message. We aren't "going backwards". We won't have black people at the back of the bus. The only ones fighting for segregation today is, like always, the left as they push for segregated graduation ceremonies and the like. Stop being disingenuous and maybe I won't be forced to respond in the way I did.
  - MarkMarine 3y ago
    No one forced your speech. This form of discourse doesn’t belong here. Fight on Twitter
    - wernercd 3y ago
      "no one forced your speech" if you support forcing independent artists or businesses to make stuff with messages they dont' support then you support "forced speech". "this form of discourse" what form? defending simple statements? Attacking strawman attacks? Celebrating freedom of speech and the defense of freedom of religion? If the discorse isn't allowed here? why not? what are you afraid of hearing? “When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Clash of Kings
      - MarkMarine 3y ago
        Oy. Ok, Mr. Religious. What parts of the Bible do you think give you the right to tell gay people what to do with their lives? I’ll need specific passages please. I’ve read the whole New Testament, and Jesus was a tolerant fellow. I’m going to assume you live in a glass house and haven’t sinned right?
        wernercd 3y ago
        The same part of the bible that you seem to think gives gay people the right to force religious people to support their lifestyles. Your rights end when other peoples rights begin. You may not like it... but at the end of the day? Religion is a protected right - and for damn good reasons. Here's the clue: I'm not telling gay people how to live their life. I'm saying they can't tell me to make stuff that endorses their lifestyle. Before you presume to talk to me about religion... pull the stick out of your ass, the plank from your eye and stop acting like me not making you a cake or a website is telling you how to live your life. Either you're being disingenuous or you're purposely lying to make a point that is wrong. Again, since you seem to be slow: No one is saying you can't be gay - we aren't telling you how to live your life. Fuck who you want. How you want. What they are saying is YOU can't force others to endorse your lifestyle. Your right to be gay ends at someone else's right to think it's wrong - and it doesn't include your right to FORCE someone else to say what you want or create product with messages you want. What part of your right to live how you want includes forcing others to support it? That's the difference between you and me... I don't give a shit what you do with your body... but you won't force me to support your decisions. You need to realize that before you even attempt to talk to me about who Jesus was, what he represented or try to "school" me on who gets to throw the first stone... because you have no moral high ground on either topic.

MarkMarine 3y ago

What do you think the rest of these cases test ? This is the same reasoning, what you’re using, that people used for segregation. The reason people are forced to serve black people in restaurants is the same reason that these protections for LGBT people exist. It’s “protected classes” including race. It was in the oral arguments, Alito was discussing a black Santa at a mall and a kid in a KKK hood. So I’m not standing up a straw man, I’m not calling you hitler, but it is funny how quickly you ran to that as some kind of defense.

wernercd 3y ago
"it's funny how quickly you ran" in response to you claiming support of religious protections is support of segregation. I literally responded to your escalation with an equally stupid response. I responded in kind. "protected class" you mean... like religion? You realize that religion is a protected class? belief in stuff like traditional marriage? Serving you food is not the same as creating art with a message that goes against your religion. Just like the cake guy didn't refuse to sell to anyone - he simply refused to make product with messages that went against his religion. he would sell you a cake... but not one with a message. We aren't "going backwards". We won't have black people at the back of the bus. The only ones fighting for segregation today is, like always, the left as they push for segregated graduation ceremonies and the like. Stop being disingenuous and maybe I won't be forced to respond in the way I did.
- MarkMarine 3y ago
  No one forced your speech. This form of discourse doesn’t belong here. Fight on Twitter
  - wernercd 3y ago
    "no one forced your speech" if you support forcing independent artists or businesses to make stuff with messages they dont' support then you support "forced speech". "this form of discourse" what form? defending simple statements? Attacking strawman attacks? Celebrating freedom of speech and the defense of freedom of religion? If the discorse isn't allowed here? why not? what are you afraid of hearing? “When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” ― George R.R. Martin, A Clash of Kings
    - MarkMarine 3y ago
      Oy. Ok, Mr. Religious. What parts of the Bible do you think give you the right to tell gay people what to do with their lives? I’ll need specific passages please. I’ve read the whole New Testament, and Jesus was a tolerant fellow. I’m going to assume you live in a glass house and haven’t sinned right?
      - wernercd 3y ago
        The same part of the bible that you seem to think gives gay people the right to force religious people to support their lifestyles. Your rights end when other peoples rights begin. You may not like it... but at the end of the day? Religion is a protected right - and for damn good reasons. Here's the clue: I'm not telling gay people how to live their life. I'm saying they can't tell me to make stuff that endorses their lifestyle. Before you presume to talk to me about religion... pull the stick out of your ass, the plank from your eye and stop acting like me not making you a cake or a website is telling you how to live your life. Either you're being disingenuous or you're purposely lying to make a point that is wrong. Again, since you seem to be slow: No one is saying you can't be gay - we aren't telling you how to live your life. Fuck who you want. How you want. What they are saying is YOU can't force others to endorse your lifestyle. Your right to be gay ends at someone else's right to think it's wrong - and it doesn't include your right to FORCE someone else to say what you want or create product with messages you want. What part of your right to live how you want includes forcing others to support it? That's the difference between you and me... I don't give a shit what you do with your body... but you won't force me to support your decisions. You need to realize that before you even attempt to talk to me about who Jesus was, what he represented or try to "school" me on who gets to throw the first stone... because you have no moral high ground on either topic.