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This effect is not uncommon with respect to powerful psychedelics but it does have a mechanistic neurological explanation which in turn helps explain the psycho
by photochemsyn 3y ago
This effect is not uncommon with respect to powerful psychedelics but it does have a mechanistic neurological explanation which in turn helps explain the psychological (or spiritual if you like) knock-on effects. It's really the same kind of thing underlying optical illusions, such as the dancing grid dots illusion:
https://mathworld.wolfram.com/ScintillatingGridIllusion.html https://mathworld.wolfram.com/ScintillatingGridIllusion.html
Fundamentally your brain is interpreting signals coming in from your optic nerves at all times so you're not really 'directly experiencing reality', you're interpreting and processing a stream of data and constructing a map of reality from that data. This is usually all done unconsciously, but what psychedelics do at a mechanistic level is interfere with the neuronal processing of that data. You might get a crossover of memories feeding into the visual stream at some level of processing, hence 'seeing visions', or the sound channel might get mixed with the visual channel ('seeing sounnds and hearing colors').
It's not too surprising that this can have profound effects on people's psychology if they were not expecting or aware of this underlying mechanism. It's a concept in philosophy, as well, I believe it's called 'radical skepticism' or some such, the belief that nothing is real, and is in the same category as the simulation hypothesis, i.e. the belief we are in a Matrix VR world. This could plausibly lead to dissociation from normal goal-oriented behavior and result in full blown mental illness in extreme cases.
Personally, I don't really see the difference between 'base reality' and 'perfect simulation' if there's no scientific method to distinguish between the two. If a flaming angel (or UFO) appears in the sky above me, I'll still try to collect its electomagnetic spectrum. Similarly, most people can recognize when they're under the influence of a drug and when they're completely sober - at least, with experience. A first-time user could definitely get these two confused, with dangerous consequences, hence all the warnings about set and setting, trip-sitters, etc.
Regardless, those with a fragile grasp on reality or who are lacking a solid psychological core self-identity should definitely think twice about taking powerful psychedelics.
- willy_k 3y agoThis ain’t it
- whalesalad 3y agoNo? I resonate with this take.
- photochemsyn 3y agoWhat's missing?
- empath-nirvana 3y agoI dealt with episodes of this when I was using MDMA regularly and it's not a problem of like, intellectually dealing with being confronted with how the brain works, because I was fully aware of all this and had no problem conceptualizing what was going on with me abstractly, but derealization and depersonalization is a very strong _feeling_ that is very hard to shake and you can't like rationalize yourself out of it. I think it was easier for me to _handle_, because I knew what it was, but that still didn't make it go away. For me it faded after I gave my brain time to recover -- it took a few months.
- almost_usual 3y agoRight, this is like explaining the probability of a plane crash is statistically insignificant to someone who has a fear of flying. They can grok the logic and still _feel_ terror.
- oldstrangers 3y ago"those with a fragile grasp on reality" If anything, the most at risk are those that have a greater understanding of reality and the superficiality of it all. You can't go through a door if you don't know its there. So in that sense, if you haven't explored the existential depths of your own consciousness, you're much less likely to get lost. I've spent entirely too much time in my head, and I've put a lot of systems in place to help me reconnect, but I certainly know better than to test those systems too thoroughly.