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When humans offload most of who we are onto handheld devices, the fifth amendment will not be necessary, just take the phone and query it for thought histories

by maeon3 15y ago

When humans offload most of who we are onto handheld devices, the fifth amendment will not be necessary, just take the phone and query it for thought histories of the guilty, er, suspect. Torturing a suspect for self incriminating details: not ok. Breaking encryption on a phone, bypassing security password lockouts and accessing memory history: ok!

tylermenezes 15y ago
Are you claiming breaking encryption and searching through history is akin to torture?
- headShrinker 15y ago
  I think he is implying these are the two tactics police used to obtain evidence; the old style is active coercion (which is illegal but fairly common in police arrests and interrogation), the new style is querying phone, email, device records, decrypting harddrives (is now potentially legal).
  - blario 15y ago
    Coercion is illegal? I've seen coercion used in every police investigation I've ever seen. It's so common I had no idea anyone thought it was illegal. Police isolate and begin lying to suspects immediately after they're identified.
  - sukuriant 15y ago
    It's more akin to breaking into a safe you carry on your person, not bludgeoning you into speaking. Bad connection.
    - blario 15y ago
      By 'coercion', I don't think he meant "bludgeoning". When the police tell you that you've already been identified by a witness, when it is a complete lie, I take that to be coercion. Or when they inflict emotional turmoil by arresting you publicly, handcuffing you in public, running your prints in a police station, and treat the innocent as guilty in order to 'coerce' them into an unstable state of mind. Coercion is inflicting duress, which doesn't have to be similar to physical torture, imo.
    - maeon3 15y ago
      "tell us every crime you have ever committed" is a question you can plead the 5th on in court. But the phone will one day make it unnecessary to ask the person, all you need is the brain's loyal assistant. I personally don't care about human rights so everything is fine here.

by maeon3 15y ago

tylermenezes 15y ago

Are you claiming breaking encryption and searching through history is akin to torture?

headShrinker 15y ago
I think he is implying these are the two tactics police used to obtain evidence; the old style is active coercion (which is illegal but fairly common in police arrests and interrogation), the new style is querying phone, email, device records, decrypting harddrives (is now potentially legal).
- blario 15y ago
  Coercion is illegal? I've seen coercion used in every police investigation I've ever seen. It's so common I had no idea anyone thought it was illegal. Police isolate and begin lying to suspects immediately after they're identified.
- sukuriant 15y ago
  It's more akin to breaking into a safe you carry on your person, not bludgeoning you into speaking. Bad connection.
  - blario 15y ago
    By 'coercion', I don't think he meant "bludgeoning". When the police tell you that you've already been identified by a witness, when it is a complete lie, I take that to be coercion. Or when they inflict emotional turmoil by arresting you publicly, handcuffing you in public, running your prints in a police station, and treat the innocent as guilty in order to 'coerce' them into an unstable state of mind. Coercion is inflicting duress, which doesn't have to be similar to physical torture, imo.
  - maeon3 15y ago
    "tell us every crime you have ever committed" is a question you can plead the 5th on in court. But the phone will one day make it unnecessary to ask the person, all you need is the brain's loyal assistant. I personally don't care about human rights so everything is fine here.