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I'd be curious if the people worried about this slippery slope were equally worried about something similar happening with COVID vaccine cards.

spondylosaurus 3y ago
The Venn diagram of people concerned about discrimination against marginalized groups and people concerned about being asked to get inoculated against an endemic virus is two discrete circles. Also funny how the COVID vaccine card thing never seemed to pan out anyway. I can't remember the last time someone asked me for proof of vaccination...
- kashunstva 3y ago
  > an endemic virus But COVID-19 wasn’t endemic at the time that proof-of-vaccination requirements were commonplace. An endemic infectious disease has stable low-level incidence within a defined population. Nothing about the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic when such restrictions were in place fits that description. In any case, I was asked many times for proof of vaccination; but I don’t live in the U.S. so possibly the implementation compliance differed.
- jdlshore 3y ago
  Asking for proof of vaccination was common here in Portland, toward the NR of the epidemic, when restaurants and venues were opening back up.
olliej 3y ago
Ah, I see you're using the false equivalency argument. Should it be considered illegal discrimination to not allow drunks to drive? Should it be considered illegal discrimination to not allow someone with HIV from donating blood? Should it be considered illegal discrimination for a hospital to require licensed doctors?
- infamouscow 3y ago
  Incorrectly identifying logical fallacies doesn't answer my question. The path arriving to the outcomes is different, but the outcomes are the same. My question is what, exactly, is the distinction because I struggle to see one. More concretely, if someone took a COVID vaccine and had a terrible allergic reaction, doctors will strongly advise against further vaccination. Should that person's immutable physical traits justify discrimination against them?
  - olliej 3y ago
    > More concretely, if someone took a COVID vaccine and had a terrible allergic reaction, doctors will strongly advise against further vaccination. Should that person's immutable physical traits justify discrimination against them? Are there safety concerns? then yes. We don't let people with epilepsy drive, despite that being an immutable characteristic.
    - infamouscow 3y ago
      I think there is a lot of nuance about safety and we probably disagree on the specifics, but I appreciate and thank you for answering and helping elucidate my understanding :)

spondylosaurus 3y ago

The Venn diagram of people concerned about discrimination against marginalized groups and people concerned about being asked to get inoculated against an endemic virus is two discrete circles. Also funny how the COVID vaccine card thing never seemed to pan out anyway. I can't remember the last time someone asked me for proof of vaccination...

kashunstva 3y ago
> an endemic virus But COVID-19 wasn’t endemic at the time that proof-of-vaccination requirements were commonplace. An endemic infectious disease has stable low-level incidence within a defined population. Nothing about the early stages of the COVID-19 pandemic when such restrictions were in place fits that description. In any case, I was asked many times for proof of vaccination; but I don’t live in the U.S. so possibly the implementation compliance differed.
jdlshore 3y ago
Asking for proof of vaccination was common here in Portland, toward the NR of the epidemic, when restaurants and venues were opening back up.

olliej 3y ago

Ah, I see you're using the false equivalency argument. Should it be considered illegal discrimination to not allow drunks to drive? Should it be considered illegal discrimination to not allow someone with HIV from donating blood? Should it be considered illegal discrimination for a hospital to require licensed doctors?

infamouscow 3y ago
Incorrectly identifying logical fallacies doesn't answer my question. The path arriving to the outcomes is different, but the outcomes are the same. My question is what, exactly, is the distinction because I struggle to see one. More concretely, if someone took a COVID vaccine and had a terrible allergic reaction, doctors will strongly advise against further vaccination. Should that person's immutable physical traits justify discrimination against them?
- olliej 3y ago
  > More concretely, if someone took a COVID vaccine and had a terrible allergic reaction, doctors will strongly advise against further vaccination. Should that person's immutable physical traits justify discrimination against them? Are there safety concerns? then yes. We don't let people with epilepsy drive, despite that being an immutable characteristic.
  - infamouscow 3y ago
    I think there is a lot of nuance about safety and we probably disagree on the specifics, but I appreciate and thank you for answering and helping elucidate my understanding :)