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The One Ring card, Magic: The Gathering’s coveted collectible, has been found
- drpgq 3y agoI wonder what ROI is over the years on a card like a Black Lotus?
- SeanAnderson 3y agoMedian price for a beta Black Lotus in 1994 was ~$15 via Scry Magazine. A lightly played beta Black Lotus currently goes for ~$45,000. Alpha ranges from 150k-1m+ based on grading. So 300,000%+ ROI
- staticautomatic 3y agoJesus. I remember when they had gone up to a couple hundred bucks and thought that was crazy.
- depereo 3y agoThat's a roughly 32% per-annum return on the beta card.
- giblfiz 3y agohttps://infinite.tcgplayer.com/article/A-History-of-the-Price-of-Black-Lotus/6328d04e-a921-4200-b289-961b1c852ae4/ https://infinite.tcgplayer.com/article/A-History-of-the-Pric... Looks like it floats around a 20% to 35% APR depending on the years.
- jofer 3y agoAlpha and beta printings are more rare and the exact price is hard to get a handle on. But for the most abundant printing, the buy list prices here are reasonably representative (for a one is very good shape - most will sell for less due to condition): https://www.mtgprice.com/sets/Unlimited/Black_Lotus https://www.mtgprice.com/sets/Unlimited/Black_Lotus Honestly, you'd be better off looking at the reserved list as a whole if you want to get a sense of more general returns. It's wild how much things spiked a few years back. I play legacy in paper regularly and have a large collection I actually use, but it's getting to the point where even I feel like I should sell out.
- csmiller 3y agoYou might be interested in some videos Alpha Investments on Youtube makes, he is all about MTG finance.
- Tade0 3y ago> multiple resellers are already offering millions to buy it. I had a heated debate about this sort of artificial scarcity with a guy who uses a precision scale to weigh boosters he buys, because the foils are ever so slightly heavier due to an additional layer. Would be really funny if he was the one to find this card.
- csmiller 3y agoI believe the collector boosters are all foils, so that particular trick may not have worked in this case.
- kodt 3y agoThe foils aren't worth as much now as they sell collectors booster packs which contain almost all foils.
- tourmalinetaco 3y agoAdditionally, who wants another man’s soggy taco?
- gorkish 3y agoI did this in the early 90's with a particular series of baseball cards. Good money for a kid. I used a micrometer as well. Glad to hear it still works!
- dmonitor 3y agowhoever drew that card, sounds like they know what they are doing. taking all inquiries through an attorney, getting it appraised immediately, etc. sounds like they’re going to get pretty rich out of this.
- jareklupinski 3y agostrategy games players are always thinking twelve steps ahead hoping it's legit https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36540956 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36540956
- pyrolistical 3y agoI wonder how does wizards of the coast adds this card into a packs in a double blind sort of way. Otherwise there would be internal collusion/fraud to self deal.
- stringfood 3y ago[dead]
- CSMastermind 3y ago> he bearer wishes to remain anonymous This is why we require lottery winners to be public record. See also the McDonalds Monopoly scandal.
- erulabs 3y agoHuge sorting machines drop cards into packs at amazing speed. All you'd have to do is ceremonially place this card into the "rare" pile and watch the machine whirr. No one would be able to tell which of the hundreds of sealed and plastic-wrapped boxes coming out the other side of the machine contains the card.
- gwern 3y agoBuying up mere hundreds of packs for a high chance at a $2m+ shiny sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
- tedunangst 3y agoI guess you'd have a trusted employee come out and insert a magic card into the sorter intermittently for as long as it takes, so nobody knows which batch it's actually in.
- dtx1 3y agoSo, when is WOTC gonna send the pinkertons after the ringbearer?
- gumby 3y agoPinkerorcs in this case.
- karmakurtisaani 3y agoAh MTG, the original pay to win game.
- pclark 3y agoHow do you pay to win in a sealed draft?
- dcsommer 3y agoIt's not a sealed draft at all. You can purchase as many decks as you like, and you can also purchase from secondhand markets.
- joshuamorton 3y agoDraft is a particular format (and a fairly popular one).
- TillE 3y agoThe most popular formats of Magic by far are "kitchen table" (totally casual, play with whatever cards you own), and Commander, a casual multiplayer format where super-powerful decks are generally frowned upon. Competitive Magic is a tiny tiny fraction of the overall market. It's also totally possible and reasonable to build competitive decks on Arena with a pure F2P account, if you're into that.
- tourmalinetaco 3y agoIt’s still P2W, because more money = more power. The goal in those situations is to have fun, not win, so inherently P2W is lessened. However that does not mean it doesn’t exist. It’s still a very real problem that’s only getting worse, regardless of whether you care or not.
- Fomite 3y agoSomewhat reductively, that means all games are pay to win, because at the extreme, having enough money to retire, devote yourself to the game, hire tutors, etc. = more power.
- boomboomsubban 3y agoIs this the most expensive LotR memorabilia? A first edition printing of "The Hobbit" was only worth $210,000 in 2015. Maybe one of the movie copies of the One Ring is more expensive? Or Tolkien's drafts?
- WesleyLivesay 3y agoAs a person who was looking to buy some of this new set, so glad this has been found so the street prices of the collector boosters will drop.
- _hudj 3y agoThere is only one course of action here and anything short of that is deeply sad and spitting in the face of Tolkien. This card needs to be placed in a storage container somewhere randomly in the world and opened only 20 years from now at which point a group of individuals will attempt to take it to Tongariro which was the filming location for mount doom in the movies. They will each be offered 1 million $$ to sell the card at that point but if they accept it they will get the million in half off yogurt coupons. If they actually agree to cast it into the volcano of their own volition then a team will do that safely and film it well while the "fellowship" receives the actual million they were not promised if they agreed to do this.
- nostromo 3y agoI wonder what the chain of custody looked like for this card, from the printer to the store. I'm reminded of McDonald's Monopoly contest and how the person in charge of security for the game pieces was later found to have stolen and sold them.
- ajsnigrutin 3y agoIt would be funny if some random grandma bought a pack for a kid, and the kid would then take the card, play with it, put it in a pack of other cards, put a rubber band around them, spread some cheeto dust on the card, play with the cards on the ground, etc. :)
- NoZebra120vClip 3y agoOK, true believers, correct me if this anecdote is wrong in some way. So Wizards has put out a few releases of a joke set called "Unglued" where the cards are completely unserious in-jokes, sometimes with unplayable or really meta game mechanics. One Unglued set featured a card whose effect was derived by throwing it in the air and then seeing which other card(s) it landed on. So far so good. But apparently there was some "emergent gameplay" as we say, and players began tearing the card into small confetti so that it would touch many cards on the playing field and have an outsized effect. So the even more emergent effect here was, of course, that tearing the card into bits made intact ones even rarer than ever, and so this card, whatever it was, became one of the most valuable and sought-after cards of the whole game. Side note: One time I was so angry at an opponent that I ripped his card into two and threw it back at him; it was not one of these cards, and thankfully he did not punch me in the face.
- SilasX 3y agoThat was Chaos Orb, and it was a normal card, not parody Unglued one: https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=603 https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multive...
- __s 3y agohttps://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=5712 https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multive...
- tedunangst 3y agoIntact chaos confetti runs about $0.43. https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/836/magic-unglued-chaos-confetti?Language=English https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/836/magic-unglued-chaos-co...
- distortedsignal 3y agoYou might be conflating two things. One is Chaos Orb, a card in the original Magic sets. https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=603 https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multive... One is Chaos Confetti, a card in one of the Un- sets that you were referring to. https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=5712 https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multive... I don't know if the Chaos Orb play is real or apocryphal. It may be that Chaos Confetti is a reaction to the story behind Chaos Orb. As a side note, neither of these cards are legal in any common tournaments anymore.
- tekeous 3y agoI would like to point out that this card contains a critical error - the number reads 001/001, but in fact, there were twenty made. As we all know, three were given to the elves, seven to the dwarves, nine to the race of Men, and the one the Dark Lord kept for himself.
- booblik 3y agoYeah, the one ring
- WalterBright 3y agoPhilately (stamp collecting) seems to have been replaced with this kind of thing.
- throwaway675309 3y ago"The Wall Street Journal reports that the bearer wishes to remain anonymous, but multiple resellers are already offering millions to buy it." Uh huh. Why am I reminded of the WATA Games and Heritage Auctions pump and dump scams for video games when a sealed copy of Mario 64 allegedly sold for a million dollars?
- ftxbro 3y agoSo just to be clear this is a Magic the Gathering and LOTR marketing campaign we are talking about here?
- diogenescynic 3y agoThe more I read about MTG the more it reminds me of crypto and NFTs.