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any data that is available on the internet is not necessarily public. it might be mistakenly openly available, just like someone might leave their car door ope

by seydor 3y ago

any data that is available on the internet is not necessarily public. it might be mistakenly openly available, just like someone might leave their car door open. also, hoovering up all available data on the net does not make them any less private

ehnto 3y ago
I have always wondered, is there legal precedent here? If someone were to ssh into your server without permission that's pretty obviously illegal access. But the web is just another protocol on another port, what makes it different? I certainly never said Google could crawl my website, and I would be surprised if the presence of a robots.txt file is written into law as a requirement to prove you didn't want them on your web properties. I feel like this must have been hashed out in lawsuits already, probably against search crawlers.
- seydor 3y ago
  i m sure a lot of people lobbied for this to not be legislated
  - __loam 3y ago
    And I'm pretty sure you'd be wrong. For example, uploading a movie you don't have a copyright to to YouTube is illegal. That movie night be public data, but you don't have the permission of the copyright holder to copy that data. Publicly accessible =/= You having the right to do whatever you want with something.
- sgift 3y ago
  I'm too tired for a thorough search, but here's an article which states that an appeals court decided it's legal: https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/18/web-scraping-legal-court/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/18/web-scraping-legal-court/ IANAL and so on.
- littlestymaar 3y ago
  A French famous white hacker got condemned in French for publishing confidential information found through a Google search. The key thing in the case was that he undeniably aware that this was just a file server misconfiguration and that he wasn't supposed to be able to access it. If you want more info about the case you should look for the "affaire Bluetouff*.
masom 3y ago
Leaving your car door open isn't a great analogy. The internet is closer to leaving your own journal open at the library or a magazine store, and people going through it. You made it available for everyone to peek at in a public space. Maybe you didn't intent to leave it there, maybe you didn't intend to make it visible, but you did.
- seydor 3y ago
  your car can be parked in a public street
- manuelmoreale 3y ago
  That is a fair analogy but still, me leaving it there doesn’t grant you the right to copy down what’s written in it and use it for something else.
supermatt 3y ago
Indeed. Microsoft’s name and logo is published everywhere “in public” but you certainly can’t use them as your own. IP is still IP even when it’s publicly available.

by seydor 3y ago

ehnto 3y ago

I have always wondered, is there legal precedent here? If someone were to ssh into your server without permission that's pretty obviously illegal access. But the web is just another protocol on another port, what makes it different? I certainly never said Google could crawl my website, and I would be surprised if the presence of a robots.txt file is written into law as a requirement to prove you didn't want them on your web properties. I feel like this must have been hashed out in lawsuits already, probably against search crawlers.

seydor 3y ago
i m sure a lot of people lobbied for this to not be legislated
- __loam 3y ago
  And I'm pretty sure you'd be wrong. For example, uploading a movie you don't have a copyright to to YouTube is illegal. That movie night be public data, but you don't have the permission of the copyright holder to copy that data. Publicly accessible =/= You having the right to do whatever you want with something.
sgift 3y ago
I'm too tired for a thorough search, but here's an article which states that an appeals court decided it's legal: https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/18/web-scraping-legal-court/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/18/web-scraping-legal-court/ IANAL and so on.
littlestymaar 3y ago
A French famous white hacker got condemned in French for publishing confidential information found through a Google search. The key thing in the case was that he undeniably aware that this was just a file server misconfiguration and that he wasn't supposed to be able to access it. If you want more info about the case you should look for the "affaire Bluetouff*.

masom 3y ago

Leaving your car door open isn't a great analogy. The internet is closer to leaving your own journal open at the library or a magazine store, and people going through it. You made it available for everyone to peek at in a public space. Maybe you didn't intent to leave it there, maybe you didn't intend to make it visible, but you did.

seydor 3y ago
your car can be parked in a public street
manuelmoreale 3y ago
That is a fair analogy but still, me leaving it there doesn’t grant you the right to copy down what’s written in it and use it for something else.

supermatt 3y ago

Indeed. Microsoft’s name and logo is published everywhere “in public” but you certainly can’t use them as your own. IP is still IP even when it’s publicly available.